Darn It

One big trial of hydroxychloroquine with and without azithromycin came up empty.

If Trump is willing to settle for a lay-up rather than a Hail Mary, he should talk up Vitamin D. Its cheap, safe, probably more than half of us have low-ish serum levels of D, and Vitamin D is already a standard recommendation for good health even if it does not specifically help with COVID-19.

Lots here.

Comments

[danoso]

But Holtgrave stressed that the study only analyzed hospitalized patients who were already severely ill

Um, yep. But it gave Politico another chance to trash the prez.

[Threadkiller]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/05/11/satchel-contents-identified-grenell-moves-to-unmask-the-unmaskers/

[Captain Hate]

I think I'll trust anonamom more than Politico. Idiot.

[henry]

I thoughtTM had a hole in his sock and was not allowed to purchase new socks under CT lockdown. Then I read his post. Where is the zinc? Hydroxychloroquine is the coyote that gets zinc in the cell. No zinc, of course the coyote twiddles its thumbs. You would think the CDC knew some basic cell biology, but Chinese cash says otherwise.

[Threadkiller]

Skimming through the study that is mentioned in TM’s Politico link stands out:

As indicated by respiratory (chest imaging, respiratory rate, O2 saturation) and hepatic (AST, alanine aminotransferase) measurements during the first 24 hours, patients in the treatment groups, particularly hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin, presented as having more clinically severe disease than the neither drug group.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766117

In other words, we gave the sickest of the sick the treatment and then compared results to an unrelated group of patients.

Darn it indeed.

[Narciso]

Isnt 5his second dueector quarantining himself

[Threadkiller]

... this stands out...

I guess it is me and not the fucking Idevice.

[Narciso]

So about thart european flu what difference does it make?

[Captain Hate]

You would think the CDC knew some basic cell biology, but Chinese cash says otherwise.

This thread is a prime example of a little information poorly understood is a terrible thing.

[Narciso]

If one wanted to go sentinel on the ah press corp, would that be wrong?

[MissMarple2]

Tucker just announced that Evelyn Farkas was going to appear on his show to explain why she testified that she knew nothing in her deposition.

She cancelled her appearance tonight.

Things may not be going well.
----------------------------------------
The above was from Twitter.

Hehehehe.

[Rocco]

IG,

I was referring to the Jan 5, 2017 meeting.

At that point, the documents showed, "Yates had no idea what the president was talking about, but figured it out based on the conversation. Yates recalled Comey mentioning the Logan Act, but can't recall if he specified there was an 'investigation.' Comey did not talk about prosecution in the meeting."

The exhibit continues: "It was not clear to Yates from where the President first received the information. Yates did not recall Comey's response to the President's question about how to treat Flynn. She was so surprised by the information she was hearing that she was having a hard time processing it and listening to the conversation at the same time."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-knew-details-of-wiretapped-flynn-phone-calls-surprising-top-doj-official-new-docs-show

Unless I'm mistaken, which is often enough, it was 18 days later on the 24th when Comey sent his goons to the WH to entrap Flynn. Yates waited until Comey had already sent those goons to tell him she was going to inform the WH that Flynn was leveraged. Comey told her you're too late.

[matt - deplore me if you must]

The studies are the studies. There are quite a number of them going on right now, so eventually we will have a good database by which we can analyze the efficacy of not just aquarium cleaner and hydroxychloroquine, but other drugs as well. All of this will pretty much be ex post fat, so maybe we will learn something for the next time.

What does interest me is that these tests were done not as prophylactic, but as treatment. It seems that once the Wuhan Virus manifests itself in serious cases it is a bear to control. The mortality rate on ventilators is very high, but those are also the most extreme cases.

So how do we contain the spread of the virus? Securing nursing homes is at the top of the list as is protecting those most vulnerable not in those homes.

I am not sure about all of the supposed aftereffects either. We will need to see more data.

At east widespread antibody testing will give us a map of if and how the virus has been transmitted both person to person and across the general population.

65% of the cases are along the Acela Corridor. There I a hot spot in Detroit, and California has a number of factors that have contributed to the spread of the disease. LA and Riverside counties have been particularly affected. Palm Springs in in Riverside, and now they are icovering bodies in homes who never made it to treatment.

I was in LA the other day. I drove from Santa Monica down Wilshire through at least half a dozen different neighborhoods. What I saw were large numbers of homeless in their own ragtag encampments of a few to several people. They are afraid of going into the shelters.

But so far we have not seen the large numbers of infections. Some are in hotel rooms, but most are still on the street.

The expected outcomes have not come true to a large degree.

[Narciso]

Shirley

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/judge-sullivan-must-reject-barrs-usurpation-of-judicial-power/ar-BB13Uzqb?ocid=sf

[D]

Rocco:
Your version is correct.
Michael Goodwin is calling out Cuomo on the nursing home debacle.
Says he is incapable of admitting he made a mistake.

[Narciso]

Hmm

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/we-know-everything-and-nothing-about-covid

[Narciso]

That is striking matt.

[MissMarple2]

https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1260000292369838081

New thread by Brian Cates (drawandstrike) and it's a pretty logical one.

[Narciso]

From a wheelchair?

https://mobile.twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1259918971383545857

[Narciso]

This twit gets the sentinel treatmwnt first

https://mobile.twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/1259992516276948998

[Captain Hate]

Franklin Foer, like cheap wine, gets dumber with age.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Partly correct, Rocco.
Yates does claim to have been surprised by Barry's bringing up Flynn's conversations with the Russkie.

But she claims that this;

18 days later on the 24th when Comey sent his goons to the WH to entrap Flynn. Yates waited until Comey had already sent those goons to tell him she was going to inform the WH that Flynn was leveraged. Comey told her you're too late.

is what flabbergasted her. She claims she wanted to inform the WH before the G-girls interviewed Flynn but Comey had already decided to interview him before she could.

It's all CYA time so you can't believe a word any of them say.

[Narciso]

I mewnt dead pool same concept.

[MissMarple2]

unseen1
@unseen1_unseen
·
15m
No one should be surprised that Obama and his cabal of leftists turned the FBI, DOJ, and CIA into a carbon copies of the STASI and KGB. It's what leftists do when they gain power.

[MissMarple2]

Dan Bongino
@dbongino
·
40m
If history is honest then Barack Obama will ONLY be remembered as the most corrupt President in US history. His name will only be discussed in civics classes as a warning and a cautionary tale about the corrupting effects of power.

[Rocco]

IG, I see, well then she was surprised and shocked for 18 days until she became flabbergasted that Comey thwarted her plan to do the right thing as Barr called it.

[MissMarple2]

Trey Gowdy has been a uniparty swamp creature for years and he’s been fooling many good people with his great questioning performances and YouTube clips.

He is being exposed.
pic.twitter.com/UxXNTHdD3G

— C3 (@C_3C_3) May 12, 2020

Video at the link. You can imagine me rolling my eyes.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Progs like Foer are starting to sound like acolytes of the phlogiston theory or Lysenkoism.
The rest of the world has moved onto reality and they still cling to a fantasy that not a soul outside of their clique of crazies gives an ounce of credit.
Admittedly it's a big clique but it'll fall eventually.

[MissMarple2]

Matt Wolking (Text TRUMP to 88022)
@MattWolking
·
50m
Comcast owns NBC News and MSNBC, and tonight its Senior Executive VP David Cohen hosted a fundraiser for Joe Biden.

Biden told Cohen he'd take questions but "If they’re hard questions, I’ve got to ask you to answer them."

Cohen replied, "I would never ask you a hard question."

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Exactly Rocco; she started out surprised, grew shocked, then amazed and finally nearly self combusted in a paroxysm of flabbergastation.
Sally leads a very dramatic but always a rectitudinal life.

[I get a lot of pleasure using words that don't exist but should.]

[MissMarple2]

Elon Musk
@elonmusk

Tesla is restarting production today against Alameda County rules. I will be on the line with everyone else. If anyone is arrested, I ask that it only be me.

4:36 PM · May 11, 2020

[Threadkiller]

Tucker Carlson has Fox host Trey Gowdy appear for an interview to discuss ongoing events and revelations showing the corrupt behavior of the FBI and DOJ. About mid-way through the interview Carlson takes a passive aggressive tack, shows Gowdy a video of his own comments in May 2018, and asks if he is still willing to stand by them. WATCH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KA1smUosec

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/05/11/tucker-carlson-calls-out-softly-trey-gowdy-for-his-prior-defenses-of-mueller-and-comey/#more-191463

A body language expert would have a field day with Treytor. If nothing else notice his lemon sucking face when he is forced to watch his own lies.

[Catsmeat]

From "yoda" at freepers, "1,900 is a tiny [bit] of past DOJ employees. Probably have more former employees who have tried LSD." Fair enough.

[MissMarple2]

https://justthenews.com/accountability/sen-graham-plans-hold-oversight-hearing-flynn-case-early-june

I will believe this when I see it.

[MissMarple2]

Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
·
4m
BREAKING: U.S. Officials Have Declassified List Of Obama Officials Who Were Involved In ‘Unmasking’ General Flynn | The Daily Wire

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-u-s-officials-have-declassified-list-of-obama-officials-who-were-involved-in-unmasking-general-flynn

[Tom R]

Even if it was a massive setup he was still a terrible FBI director in view of how badly the performance dropped.

CH,

You have to play the hand you are dealt. Aside from the FBI Director position AFAIK all the other FBI senior management positions are federal civil servants. It’s not Comey or any FBI Director’s fault if they inherit corrupt civil servants. If you review all the Spygate facts that have been made public there is a consistent record of Comey being opposed to Brennan, Clapper, Yates and McCabe. We can only speculate why Comey was at odds with all of them. All of these pre-firing dots don’t connect with all of Comey’s anti-Trump comments after he got fired. Comey is either a master of kabuki or he has gone insane with guilt knowing his part in the Obama criminal cabal is going to get disclosed.

I would still like to know who informed Trump the White House was bugged.

[Threadkiller]

Jim Jordan and Andy Biggs on Lou Dobbs show:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrF_3P_zmv0

Treytor gets a shoutout.

[Buckeye]

Comey is either a master of kabuki or he has gone insane with guilt knowing his part in the Obama criminal cabal is going to get disclosed.

He is insane, but not from guilt.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--It’s not Comey or any FBI Director’s fault if they inherit corrupt civil servants.--

It's his fault if they're not performing cavity searches of trannies in Hoboken a month after he finds out they're corrupt.

[Melinda]

Yeooowwwch:

Brit Hume
@brithume
Has a politician ever presided over a worse debacle than Cuomo in NY over Covid 19, and ever been so lavishly praised for it? commentarymagazine.com/noah-rothman/t…

https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1259946417285738498

[Narciso]

This was yesterdays sermon btw

http://theprovidencechurch.sermon.net/main/main/20807195

[Narciso]

Something ao obvious even noah can figure it out.

[matt - deplore me if you must]

Comey botched the Hillary investigations. he botched the DNC investigation. He botched the Wikileaks investigation. His is a record of debotchery.

Mueller has been exposed as both senile and corrupt and no one is yet talking about that Lavria of litigation, Weissman, yet.

And we haven't yet even touched the large part of the fat bomb. It really is like one of those disgusting masses in the London sewers that finally pops like a giant pimple into the cloaca and out into the sea.

Sorry, I am looking at the copy of "The Best of Bert Sugar" my sister gave me and got carried away into a raging torrent flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives....

[MissMarple2]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/11/republican-state-ags-demand-congressional-hearings/

[Pinandpuller]

Mark my words: The only high profile prosecution you will see from William Barr is when a state jury turns them Georgia Boys a loose.

[Melinda]

narc-

This one was better:

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/business/joseph-vazquez/2020/05/11/george-soros-i-have-put-my-faith-trump-destroy-himself

[Melinda]

Pin? Umm, no.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/john-durham-investigating-classified-media-leaks-about-michael-flynn

[Captain Hate]

Aside from the FBI Director position AFAIK all the other FBI senior management positions are federal civil servants. It’s not Comey or any FBI Director’s fault if they inherit corrupt civil servants.

So you're saying the FBI Director is just a passive recipient of being stuck with those beneath him. Sorry, I don't buy it. J. Edgar Hoover, despite all the Soviet disinformation that was thrown at his personal life which far too many gullible people fell for and believe as fact, ran a tight ship; he was, however, overly power mad which was problematic in a Constitutional Republic no matter how well he did his job. The bureau was made up of slipshod bunglers under Comey and nobody should excuse it.

[Melinda]

So this is out there:

Jill Perkins
@JillPer25601601
@Tore_says I saw on YT a Gov doc from GCHQ dir. Hannigan about Obama and Brennan coming to GB and asked personally to tap Trump Tower. For Nat Sec of course

https://twitter.com/JillPer25601601/status/1259949927267999745

[Narciso]

Remember the trick harvey dent, he rounded up everybody. In gotham, thats the only way they dont wriggle out

[Melinda]

Can't make it up!

Breitbart News
@BreitbartNews
A Chinese tech giant is sponsoring a coronavirus disinformation panel. And it will be headlined by a CNN analyst. trib.al/U47slCu

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1260030013245583361

[MissMarple2]

https://nypost.com/2020/05/10/cuomos-nursing-home-reversal-is-too-little-too-late-goodwin/

Gov. Cuomo will never be confused with Fiorello La Guardia. “When I make a mistake, it’s a beaut,” the legendary mayor of New York once confessed.

Unfortunately, Cuomo’s pride and political calculations don’t allow him to admit error even as he finally reverses one of the mostly deadly policy mistakes in New York history.

Nursing homes and rehabilitation centers have tallied more than 5,000 coronavirus deaths, yet the governor accepts zero responsibility despite his March 25th order forcing them to take infected patients from hospitals.

Indeed, the initial order denied nursing homes the right even to ask if patients being sent by hospitals had tested positive for the coronavirus.

Now hospitals must do discharge tests and only those who are negative can be referred to nursing homes.

Said one nursing home executive, “It feels at least a month too late.”

MORE AT THE LINK.

[Narciso]

Is it jim kim cher sciutto roland 'around the house' martin and van jones what do i win?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Comey botched the Hillary investigations. he botched the DNC investigation. He botched the Wikileaks investigation. His is a record of debotchery.--

Excellent word that doesn't exist but should, matt.

But it's worse than his mishandling of investigations. It's the overall performance of the institution under his leadership, or lack thereof.
Her may have inherited a bunch of corrupt toads but all he did was send them platters of flies instead of making their lives hell.

[Melinda]

Figures one of the Seale's survivors wants to install an army of Karens, I mean Stasi, on everyone else:

♦️GAYE GALLOPS♦️
@gaye_gallops
“THE TRACE ACT”

Dems released HR 6666.

Provides $100 BILLION to institute “Contact Tracing Protocols “ throughout the NATION!

Introduced by Rep Bobby Rush(DEM)

THIS WILL BE A TOTALITARIAN CONTROL OF OUR LIVES!

BY DEMOCRATS!

Let this sink in...slowly

IFB @gaye_gallops

Bobby L. Rush @RepBobbyRush
"In order to save lives... the United States must implement a robust and comprehensive system to identify all COVID-19 cases..."

That's exactly why I introduced the COVID-19 TRACE Act, so that we can safely reopen our economy and get back to normal!
centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/pubs_…

https://twitter.com/gaye_gallops/status/1259962745245573121

[Narciso]

There will be an incentive to mark everyone as wu flu afflicted wont there?

[Dave (in MA)]

Melinda | May 11, 2020 at 10:26 PM
XiNN

[Melinda]

Dave-

I don't know which Prince of the CCP has "Foreign Media" as part of their portfolio, but I'd start there.

[Narciso]

He was such a pain in wolverines origin.

[Narciso]

This guy?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cai_Mingzhao

[Ralph Tacoma]

FWIW (probably not much!) I don't think that the Dims planned the Kung Flu "event." They certainly have attempted to capitalize on it, as they always do with any crisis, but the timing is wrong for maximum effect. They really needed it to arrive in June/July.
Time will tell.

All the Best,

Ralph

[Melinda]

His protector, not him.

[Narciso]

Or this fellow

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shen_Haixiong

[Dave (in MA)]

Need to get someone whose name rhymes with 'C'.

[Pinandpuller]

A Wild Eyed Southern Boy’s Guide to Illegal Detention:

https://youtu.be/SM3jgkChV6M

[Captain Hate]

Is Bobby Rush the guy who defeated Gaylord?

[Narciso]

Yes in the 2000 primary the kools smoked might set off an square mile blaze.

[Melinda]

Closer, but looks like a successor, not an "Old Hand" steering a protege.

[Melinda]

No, separate biz line in the Machine. Rush has been in the House for a while, at least since Harold Washington days.

[Narciso]

I never heard of this guy before

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Keqiang

[Melinda]

2000.

You're right CH, but it was an unauthorized run by a far lefty against a traditional protected radical, who took care of the Machine. O wasn't trusted to do that, which proved correct. He didn't give a shit, which is the improper attitude.

[MissMarple2]

This is the first part of a very interesting thread about weaponry in the Middle East, by Carlos Osweda:

Carlos Osweda
@COsweda
·
7h
Thread

Well, well, well.

I was just given the privilege of seeing a test of THIS technology.

Don't get me wrong: They just flew overhead. I wasn't INVITED to see anything.

(What he is talking about is INVISIBLE fighter jets.)

https://twitter.com/COsweda/status/1259939476224110592

[Melinda]

That, looks more like the right pedigree.

[Another Bob]

Trump has reportedly ordered federal pension plans to divest any investments in Chinese equities.

Wonder what impact that might have?

[Narciso]

He has been a busy panda look at all his committee assignments.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Telemann Trumpet Concertos; Volume 1.

[Narciso]

Oh snap, guess what his most recent charge has been?

[Narciso]

2020-: Leader, leading group on the prevention and control of the novel Coronavirus pandemic

Then you go down the bamboo shoot,

[MissMarple2]

Tucker Carlson is covering Obamagate. This video (at the link) is about 9 minutes. Since it is on his Twitter page, I have to assume President Trump wants us to watch it.

OBAMAGATE! pic.twitter.com/pFbb6hgDhF

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 12, 2020

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump Retweeted
Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_
·
7h
DEVELOPING: Steele's FBI handler Gaeta testified he memorialized his initial July 5, 2016, meeting w Steele & his Nov 2016 termination conversation w Steele in FD-1023 reports, yet IG Horowitz does not mention such reports in his review of Steele's so-called Delta informant file

[Melinda]

That's the guy that ordered the mayor of Wuhan (and family) and the Governor of Hubei Provence (and family) to suddenly retire at gunpoint. No question.

[MissMarple2]

Heading to bed.

Nytol!

See you all in the morning!

[jim nj]

Everything Cuomo has done has been overly bureaucratic. Too many people creating rules without considering the consequences.

The nursing home guidance was probably the worst single poor move out of many others. Even the re-opening guidance is overly complex with seven required conditions. And the implied threat of revoking those openings if he feels like it.

[Melinda]

This was the overlapping creep of infamy I was referring to earlier today:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1259672674449702916.html

G'night.

[Another Bob]

Where does Grenell go after his successor is confirmed?

[Narciso]

So is he xis puppet or vice versa i noted him because hes ik charge of china media group, is he khamenei to cross metaphors.

[Narciso]

I thought that name rung some bells.

[Narciso]

Shirley

https://social.quodverum.com/interact/104153056827318484?type=favourite

[Narciso]

Oh

https://social.quodverum.com/interact/104152758243952144?type=favourite

[Tom R]

So you're saying the FBI Director is just a passive recipient of being stuck with those beneath him. Sorry, I don't buy it.

I am extremely familiar with how the federal civil service bureaucracy works in the DoD. I don’t think there is much difference in the HR policies between the DoD and DOJ. All federal agencies function under the same policies. High ranking federal civil servants have the highest job security of possibly any profession. They can not lose their jobs unless they commit a felony or they violate equal opportunity policy, sexual harassment etc. You give me the impression you think Comey could have replaced the senior management he inherited and replaced them with his own hires. The federal civil service bureaucracy doesn’t operate like that.

[Narciso]

The trick is they operate like cells, leaderless resistance, commands arent given in the open, even uhura knew that.

[Narciso]

Oh

https://mobile.twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1260022148040503299

[jim nj]

https://nypost.com/2020/05/11/3-new-york-regions-cleared-for-coronavirus-reopening-by-weeks-end/

Three regions of New York will start opening Friday. While the closures can, theoretically, be re-imposed, I doubt that will happen. I can't imagine people willingly going along with that.

I still think the idea of having a minimum number of tracers as part of the opening is silly. Tracer might work in small communities, but I doubt that they would work well in larger ones.

And if you can trace all possible contacts, how do you get them all to submit to testing if they refuse? What police power will the tracers have? I mean testing is an invasive procedure and taking it might, in a sense, incriminate you. What court would allow such a thing?

[Narciso]

It seems they screwed up the least.

[Melinda]

If you were going to relabel a “Community Organizer”, what would you name it next?

[Gentlejim]

MM,
Thanks for posting the link to the police week proclamation.

I was supposed to be in DC with my Chief for police week, but the Rona got in the way. Missed a good chance at a JOM meet up.

[Narciso]

Contact tracer, what do i win don pardo.

[jimmyk]

On the thread topic, I had already commented when the report first came out: The word "zinc" does not appear in the story, so I presume it was not part of the study. And the patients were already hospitalized, so presumably already in bad shape.

A study doomed to fail, because Orange Man Bad is more important than saving lives.

[Narciso]

Like i say they would ban jenner and fleming in the modern era, because hope isnt permitted

[JimNorCal]

Super informative discussion of the MLB serological test recently completed. (Major league baseball).
Sadly, hardly anybody in the MLB office has antibodies.
So, that argues we'll get a flare up if shutdown is ended. In my mind, we've reached or gone past the point where reopening will cost fewer lives than continuing to hunker down.
But it will be much harder for courageous politicians to fight against the Army of Karens if the first result of ending Shutdown is a spike of deaths.

Anyway, watch this if you can, very educational, about 55 minutes.
https://youtu.be/289NWm85eas