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Eugene Volokh preps for a Trump Executive Order on social media by taking us through the current law on publisher, distributors and platforms.

Hard to see where Trump is headed with this but away we go!

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[Threadkiller]

Here is Rocco’s link again:

https://m.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/13544

One thing I don’t hear mentioned is National Guard assistance.

[MissMarple2]

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/05/28/experts-donald-trump-can-block-silicon-valleys-foreign-labor-pipeline/

Another bit of leverage President Trump has that I wasn't aware of.

[Melinda]

AnteFa from earlier? A cop.

Thread:
𓂀 Mama Minnie ☥
@GypsyEyedBeauty
Update: It has been revealed that Officer Jacob Pederson of the St.Paul Police Department was the culprit responsible for kick starting the riot in South Minneapolis. He was captured on camera and identified by his Ex-wife.

https://twitter.com/GypsyEyedBeauty/status/1266162964727562240

[Some comments saying that Chauvin moved to Mpls 3 yrs ago. Trying to confirm.]

[Another Bob]

Reportedly, the Third Precinct police station has been overrun.

Separate report of a couple National Guard transports landing at MSP.

St Paul police chief on the radio giving a short pep talk a minute ago.

[Threadkiller]

I missed the National Guard report. Was that on the scanner feed or a separate source?

[Melinda]

St. Paul cops started the fires in Mpls, so I'd be listening to their chief, the state capitol's chief mind you, for the go to info.

Ever heard of a "False Flag"? Merry Christmas.

[Another Bob]

Separate. And entirely unconfirmed.

[jimmyk]

To Clarice's point at 10:11, re the Damond killing:

https://twitter.com/vjeannek/status/1266200362052132870

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I haven't even watched the video of the cop on the guy's neck but I suspect there's a lot to this story we don't know.
Has there been one yet that turned out not to?

[clarice]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/matt-gaetz-big-tech-steal-election-trump#

[MissMarple2]

I am heading to bed. Hopefully, I will wake early tomorrow, since my daughter wants to get an early start, too.

Those of you who can stay up later take good notes! I will try to take over the early shift.

Nytol!

[clarice]

Odd, for two days now I cannot get a twitter link to work.

[Another Bob]

There is, to use the mathematical term, a metric shit ton of wild stories out there today, Ig.

[Threadkiller]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JMBUWQ1ipZM

Live video of the madness.

Nytol

[Another Bob]

Starting with the story that Floyd isn’t dead,

[clarice]

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/jacob-pederson-auto-zone-cop-not-umbrella-man/

[Threadkiller]

No audio at the link. They just switched from the scared to death reporter standing the middle of the fires and looting(including 12 year old girls running by with bottles of booze) to the helicopter view. The helicopter is immediately nailed with green lasers.

[Melinda]

Heavy.com? Really? BuzzFeed’s quicker cousin? Ok, then that settles that.

[Dave (in MA)]

Conclusive proof. The cop has eyes. The masked rioter has eyes. You do the math.

[Melinda]

Done. Bye.

[Threadkiller]

Semi-auto gunfire in background to which the pissed-pants reporter exclaims that he heard full auto.

They have no idea.

Goodnight for reals.

[Another Bob]

Helos aren’t getting close, FAA has a TFR up for the area where the rioting is occurring. Nothing below 3000 ft.

[Another Bob]

The St Paul rioting, that is.

[jim nj]

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/washington-recovers-300m-fraudulent-unemployment-claims-70934796

Washington recovers $300M in fraudulent unemployment claims
Washington officials say the state has recovered $300 million paid to criminals who used stolen personal information to file fraudulent unemployment benefit claims

I guess this was money still left in the US banking system. Hard to tell how much got exfiltrated earlier. I understand that not all of the scammers were top notch. A lot of them botched some of the steps needed to get the money out.

case in point:

"LeVine said that the state is recovering additional money from some of the victims of the identity theft who contacted officials after they received debit cards with unemployment benefits they didn’t apply for because the the impostor forgot to change the address on the account."

[jim nj]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/28/coronavirus-stimulus-house-passes-changes-to-ppp-small-business-loans.html

The plan would:

Reduce the share of aid money small business are required to spend on payroll from 75% to 60% (the PPP’s architects aimed to encourage companies to keep workers employed)
Extend the window businesses have to use the funds from two months to six months
Push back a June 30 deadline to rehire workers
Extend the time recipients have to repay the loan
Let companies that get loan forgiveness defer payroll taxes

[Pinandpuller]

Me and my friend went to loot a smoke shop in Minneapolis. These two Black guys in MAGA hats came out and hit us in the face with the butts of their assault rifles. Then they yelled,”THIS IS DORAL COUNTRY BITCHES!!!

Then we tried our luck at Subway.

[jim nj]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/marc-thiessen-trump-china-hong-kong-crackdown

Marc Thiessen: Trump must threaten China with 'brain drain' and 'capital flight' amid Hong Kong crackdown

Predictions on what Trump might do in his Friday China speech.

[jim nj]

This isn't how I expected Democratic states to re-open. Fire sales, what a novel idea.

[Dave (in MA)]

https://www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/COVID-Walz-dials-4-30-20.png

They left out riots.

[jim nj]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-disrupts-iranian-fuel-deliveries-venezuela-official-says

Liberian-flagged Greek-owned tankers carrying Iranian fuel won't continue their journey to Venezuela. The US made calls to the Liberian government and the Greek owners. Problem solved.

[jim nj]

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/us-mortgage-rates-fall-record-low-march-coronavirus-pandemic-home-2020-5-1029257149

The average rate for the standard 30-year fixed mortgage fell to 3.15% on Thursday, according to Freddie Mac. It's a record low for the US mortgage rate.

That might generate some interest in home-buying or re-fi's.

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

re: mortgage rates
We have a floating rate loan on a property. At the last recalc it was raised substantially. We started a refi process which got caught in the shutdown and ultimately did not go through.

However, happy ending: the loan was recalculated again and went down below where it had been even before the uptick.

[jim nj]

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/protests-death-george-floyd-minneapolis-new-york-denver-2020-5-1029261498#minneapolis-s-third-precinct-police-station-was-set-on-fire-1

LIVE UPDATES: Minneapolis police precinct set on fire as protests escalate over the death of George Floyd

Maybe the Democrats shouldn't have their convention there. People aren't social-distancing. That's dangerous behavior.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I haven't heard too many claims it was actually Trump's knee on the guy's neck yet.
What's up with that?

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

re: Miss M's 11:23
About PDJT's leverage due to control over H1B visa entries in the country.

This not only allows leverage over tech companies.
It could help US workers (voters) as well.

It seems likely that there will be a flood of tech layoffs. Many companies hard hit by a full quarter with meager revenues. And no guarantee of a one quarter slow down.
If there are many fewer Indian and other H1Bs allowed into the country there will be some number of jobs available to laid off US applicants.

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

jim nj: "Maybe the Democrats shouldn't have their convention there."

I think it's in Madison WI, not Minnesota. So that part should be OK :)

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Just my opinion but I think Trump kinda needs to "transition" to the stable genius personality right now.
The world appears to be going ape shit at the moment and doesn't need poking quite so much as a little calming.
I have no problem with him smearing that slime ball Beaker but not sure that's what most people are looking for right now.
Calm rock mode.

[jim nj]

My girlfriend filed for NJ UI on April 5th. That was the first time the website didn't go down, so her claim starts even earlier. She's only eligible for the federal money. Last she heard the claim was finally approved, but she still hasn't been paid. I calculate that they owe her roughly $5,400.

She calls almost every day trying to find out her status and usually hears bupkis, so the approval was welcome, but the recorded message hung up on her before she could get a payment date.

The mailed material sucks too. The latest one she showed was boiler-plate until at the bottom it showed you are scheduled for a phone interview on ___ at ___ and it was blank.

[Dave (in MA)]

http://lileks.com/bleats/archive/20/0520/052920.html
Report from Lileks. Skipped all of his regularly-scheduled content to offer his thoughts, unless he's updating as I type this...

[Pinandpuller]

henry

You need to build a wall between Wisconsin and Minnesota.

[jim nj]

Jim S,

Good deal on the re-fi. All those cities with M names confuse me. Somehow I had Minneapolis stuck in my mind for the convention instead of Milwaukee.

The Hong Kong thing is interesting. My apolitical girlfriend must have seen something about it because she was peppering me with questions. She was aware of the prior protests, but not the context for them. So I went through the whole thing and what China is doing now.

She said, "They can't do that, from what you're telling me, they can't do that until 2047 when the interim agreement ends."

Yeah, hon, they can impose that because no one can stop them. She didn't think that was correct or fair. Your word should mean something.

I only mention this because I wonder if other apoliticals are waking up to this as more people pay attention to China.

So she has a nice sized chunk of money coming her way soon (hopefully) and she's realized that she doesn't want to spend it on anything made in China.

[Dave (in MA)]

https://twitter.com/sirhottest/status/1266249856655351808
could come in handy when you get people complaining about racist Trump using the term THUGS...

[rich]

i guess the pandemic is over and race war is the deep states next strategy.

excellent choice everyone.

[rich]

i wasn't seeing much 'safer at home' in the bits i was looking out.

so much for we're in this together.

[Pinandpuller]

Don’t send in the national guard. Send in National Geographic.

[rich]

Posted by: Jim,SunnyvaleCA,USA | May 29, 2020 at 01:25 AM

it is the entire h-class program and the f-class opt program is grossly abused. they should both be ended.

bet minnesota is liking the cultural diversity they imported tonight though.

[rich]

peacefully assembling to protest actual fascist government policies enacted in a panic ... the end of the world as we know it.

burning and looting across a half dozen cites over the death of someone in police custody ... actually protesting fascism.

sensible conclusions ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpsBaA9LPEQ

(the interview startsat 2:25 or so. surprised the youtube committee for social media hygiene hasn't removed it.)

[jim nj]

New record: 5/28 453,560 new CCP tests, 22,658 new cases, %positive 4.9%.

The old record was 441,027 on the 25th and then it fell off by a quarter the next two days. I guess there is a lag in reporting still.

NJ has been reporting that we are in the 5-7% positive range and that about 20,000 tests are being done each day. So they find roughly 1,000 new cases per day and that has become a useless metric by now. It says nothing about the seriousness of the new cases.

Small business owners in NY and NJ are in near revolt mode, especially the restaurant owners. Municipalities are revising local ordinances to allow outside dining on what would normally be "city property" like sidewalks, streets and parking lots.

[rich]

Posted by: jim nj | May 29, 2020 at 02:40 AM

pretty sure the crisis is over now jim. we have a new crisis.

good times. good times.

[rich]

ah ... they age restricted it. clever.

[rich]

i think we are the only two here jim.

[jim nj]

That Lileks piece was good.

[Porchlight]

It's Grenell. One n, two ls. Not Grennel, not Grennell.

Is it too much to ask Ace and others (especially on our side) to spell it correctly? We can do that much.

[jim nj]

Rich,

Yes, seems like that. I assume you are drinking beer as am I. Amazing how a few brewskis can loosen the tongue.

Speaking, of which, I lost all sense of taste last week. Budweiser, Pepsi and food are all like yuck.

I thought I had the CCP back in March when I had some of the symptoms. This is either a delayed result or a new onset. Whatever, it's mild.

[Porchlight]

Has there been one yet that turned out not to?

Nope.

But people believe what they want to believe because JUSTICE.

[Pinandpuller]

If we don’t fight them over there we’ll have to fight them over here.

[rich]

Posted by: jim nj | May 29, 2020 at 03:06 AM

hope it is not jim. take care of yourself. and yes, i'm drinking beer.

hey porchlight and pin.

[Pinandpuller]

What wine goes with looting?

[Pinandpuller]

Let’s have a Big and rich time.

[rich]

i wish i were.

and no social distancing. where's the social distancing scolds ...

and again thanks fbi for not rounding up antifa as the terrorists (or how about use the same laws for urban gangs and organized crime to break them up).

[henry]

Pin, we do have a river on the MN border. Just need to stock it with alligators.

[Porchlight]

Hey rich. Thanks for holding down the late nights.

[rich]

some antifa dandies doing a 5+ year federal banishment sentence would open some eyes ...

[rich]

>>>Hey rich. Thanks for holding down the late nights.

Posted by: Porchlight | May 29, 2020 at 03:27 AM<<<

everyone is welcome during the kjom hours! very odd to see you here at this hour though. hope all is well.

[rich]

>>>Pin, we do have a river on the MN border. Just need to stock it with alligators.

Posted by: henry | May 29, 2020 at 03:27 AM<<<

good thing for global warming.

[jim nj]

https://www.hughhewitt.com/piles-of-paper-will-not-treat-prevent-nor-cure-covid-19/

John Schroeder

On bureaucracies: "...the average citizen does not like it when this kind of bureaucratic nonsense lands on their own head. Sure, many think it is great when mean, ugly corporation has to form an entirely new department just to deal with government paperwork, but they do not care for it much when they have been out of work for 3 months and have run out of savings – then the paperwork is just an obstacle."

This seems to be a popular refrain with small business people in blue states like NY and NJ. Blue states are usually more bureaucratic and, yet, they haven't even finalized the rules for re-opening.

A closed restaurant owner has had 3 months to think about how to re-open the business safely. Is ready to do so and can't.

You don't need to know the final rules because you can't open yet anyway.

[jim nj]

Porch,

What? I'm chopped liver?

"Hey rich. Thanks for holding down the late nights."

I think Rich is more than willing to admit that he's my guest here in the late hours. :)

[henry]

The “not a riot” and “not funded by Soros” activity still going?

[jim nj]

Trump's internet EO gambit will make it more difficult for the global warming crowd to suppress the skeptics.

I suspect the skeptics will try to make that point clear.

If I owned a PAC I would be running late night TV ads in preparation. "Have you, or a loved one, been suppressed by Twitter. You may be eligible for substantial compensation."

[henry]

WUWT agrees, Jim.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/28/giant-win-for-climate-skeptics-president-trump-just-removed-section-230-protection-from-abusive-social-media-giants/

[Pinandpuller]

henry

I went to Minneapolis in 1988 I think. I walked partway over one of those bridges but I still think last year was my first official trip to Wisconsin.

[jim nj]

nytol

[rich]

>>>I think Rich is more than willing to admit that he's my guest here in the late hours. :)

Posted by: jim nj | May 29, 2020 at 03:51 AM<<<

lol. i'm going to start calling you chopped liver. but yes, i'm more a guest than a resident nowadays.

[rich]

>>>The “not a riot” and “not funded by Soros” activity still going?

Posted by: henry | May 29, 2020 at 04:21 AM<<<

sporadic activity. pretty impressive though that about a half dozen antifa chapters were at the ready tonight.

[henry]

Thanks, rich. I see Milwaukee is scheduled to join in tonight.

[rich]

they did burn down a walmart though. brilliant.

[rich]

louisville wasn't fooling around. saw a passing report that columbus had some protests but swat units were deployed. have been catching up on the stoned trudeau clone minneapolis managed to elect ... no wonder the city is burning down.

[rich]

Tyler Emery
@TylerWHAS11
·
3h
NEW:
@LMPD
confirms 7 people were shot during the downtown Louisville protests tonight. One is in critical condition. They also say people were arrested but didn’t clarify how many.
@WHAS11<<<

[rich]

that walmart bit might be fake news but another precinct was abandoned.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
4h
I can’t stand back & watch this happen to a great American City, Minneapolis. A total lack of leadership. Either the very weak Radical Left Mayor, Jacob Frey, get his act together and bring the City under control, or I will send in the National Guard & get the job done right.....

....These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!
============================================
This was posted at 12:53AM. Also flagged with this snotty Twitter warning:

"This Tweet violated the Twitter Rules about glorifying violence. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the public’s interest for the Tweet to remain accessible."

[rich]

'unicorn riot' (antifa news?) is making use of the tweet as is their way ... did the guy die in the street or later on the way to the hospital?

[MissMarple2]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1266243521549266945.html

This is an Osweda thread about new weapons capabilities. I have absolutely no idea if it is plausible or not.

[MissMarple2]

MSNBC reporter says “I want to be clear on how I characterize this. This is mostly a protest. It is not generally speaking unruly."

As a building burns in the background...
pic.twitter.com/KGrtpPsF3E

— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) May 29, 2020

Video at the link, demonstrating complete lunacy.

[Captain Hate]

It's Grenell. One n, two ls. Not Grennel, not Grennell.

Is it too much to ask Ace and others (especially on our side) to spell it correctly? We can do that much.

*fistbump*

[MissMarple2]

Do people realize white Leftists are now openly destroying impoverished black communities?!

pic.twitter.com/Bq0HenyyY7

— Rogan O’Handley 🇺🇸 (@DC_Draino) May 29, 2020

Video at link.

[MissMarple2]

Side by side comparison of the reaction to the ongoing riots between the President and the Mayor of Minneapolis. Tweeted 10 minutes apart. pic.twitter.com/hy5fez5o6y

— Shem Horne (@Shem_Infinite) May 29, 2020

Link goes to screen cap of tweet comparison. Suggest reading replies to Shem as well.

[MissMarple2]

Isn't President Trump supposed to give a speech on China today?

Is it beyond the realm of possibility that this was ramped up to distract from that, and orchestrated by China?

I realize I sound like a conspiracy nut-case. However, I didn't even bring the nuttiest stuff I saw on Twitter over here, thinking that people would think I had lost my mind.

[MissMarple2]

Trey Yingst

@TreyYingst
·
12m

Police arrest CNN's
@OmarJimenez
and his crew as they report live from Minneapolis.

This is an unacceptable attack on the free press and a violation of the 1st amendment.
========================
Trey lists himself as a foreign correspondent for Fox News. I have no idea if he is watching from overseas or Fox sent him to Minneapolis.

[henry]

China / Soros? What difference at this point does it make?

[MissMarple2]

Sara Carter gives a recap of the EO and Twitter's behavior:

https://saraacarter.com/twitter-targets-trump-again-flagging-tweet-after-executive-order/

[MissMarple2]

henry,

1. I am really glad my daughter isn't working downtown right now.

[MissMarple2]

henry,

I somehow posted before completing.

2. We have a subsidized apartment complex 2 blocks from us.

3. I am sorry my big black English shepherd is no longer with us.

4. We own no guns, unfortunately.

5. Our mayor, Joe Hogsett, was Al Gore's campaign manager. I wish our prior mayor, Greg Ballard, was still in office. He was a Republican and a former Marine officer.

[James D.]

Only partially kidding, but why not find excuses to shoot the Black Bloc organizers?

Not kidding at all, but since these riots are being organized from out of state and coordinated with riots in other cities, why is the DoJ not using the Patriot Act and RICO and cybercrime laws and other anti-terror laws to go after the people funding this crap, and crossing state lines to participate in it?

[rse]

I mentioned this a few days ago but now getting intl coverage.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366843/Affluent-Atlanta-neighborhood-sees-COVID-spike-prep-school-grad-party.html

It was also the lead story last night at 6 on local news, partly because parents are not cooperating with local health officials inquiring into what happened to make it take off so fast.

Interesting that a parent is arguing this partying is viewed as 'proof' Ga's opening was premature.

[MissMarple2]

James D,

Maybe they are and are not telegraphing it. I am all for rounding them up as they gather to invade a city.

[MissMarple2]

Janice Dean
@JaniceDean
·
8m

I’ve had several people tell me to “simmer down” on this nursing home issue. That won’t happen. Because if not me, then who? I owe it to my family and those who don’t have voices to keep pushing for answers, accountably and hopefully change so this never happens again.

[MissMarple2]

Take a look at the recent Trump tweet which Jack slapped a label on warning that it “glorifies violence” and note that no such warning was affixed to this tweet. https://t.co/55UopnPGs8

— Duke Selden (@DukeSelden) May 29, 2020

Link goes to a tweet by Colin Kaepernick.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
·
52s

Twitter is doing nothing about all of the lies & propaganda being put out by China or the Radical Left Democrat Party. They have targeted Republicans, Conservatives & the President of the United States. Section 230 should be revoked by Congress. Until then, it will be regulated!

[rse]

henry--

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fbloc.2020.00026/full

Digital Identity and the Blockchain: Universal Identity Management and the Concept of the “Self-Sovereign” Individual

[Buckeye]

What is it about inner city black america?

Unique talent for shitting in their own mess kit.