Hold The Fake News Presses!

Wait, what?!? The big NY Times scoop about Russian bounties to the Taliban for killing Americans was raw intel the credibility of which was still being assessed? Whoa, Fake News Watch!

Although, don't rule out this scenario - Faction A is convinced the intl is legitimate. Faction B is convinced that the US/Russian relationship is complicated, we have no good responses, we don't need this aggravation right now,and anyway like most intel, this report has holes.

The upshot: Faction B is slow-walking, foot-dragging, and basically hoping to bury this under unanswerable follow-up questions. A frustrated Faction A leaks the mess to the press. And here we are, lost in the fog.

Unrelated - defund the police in NYC! Why not, its not as if they are keeping crime down.

Here is a factoid meriting a bit of homework:

Commissioner Dermot Shea says the city’s homicide rate has hit a five-year high and the amount of people shot so far this year has jumped 42% compared to the same period last year.

He said there were 100 shootings in the city in the month of May.

Not having looked, I'd have guessed homicides were below average during the March/April lockdowns. Which suggests May/June must have been nuts.

I haven't found what I want but here are the monthly NYC crime summaries for:

January   Shooting incidents:    2019: 52; 2020 67       +15

February                                 2019: 42; 2020: 45        -3

March                                     2019: 56; 2020: 56          0

April                                       2019: 62; 2020: 56         -6

May                                       2019: 61; 2020: 100     +39

28 Day is most of June            2019: 80; 2020: 149     +69

Clearly unrelated to protests, reopenings or really, anything at all.

 

 

Comments

[D]

TM:
Plus 69 is unrelated?
It is ok that you don’t want another 4 years of President Trump.
A President with dementia will lead to further decay of the Republic.
It is all about choices in life and living with the consequences.

[D]

Oh and first on this thread!

[D]

Last post because three in a row is my limit.
We have a long 4 months ahead of us.
We can’t go ballistic over every comment or hesitation on the part of the Republicans.
Some like McConnell have an election to win so it doesn’t matter if he encourages the wearing of masks.
Let us not get caught up in the minutiae of the silly season in politics.
I take the long view.
Once the crap hits the fan from Durham, all hell is going to break loose.
Biden will be lucky to equal Mondale’s performance.
Ok, maybe he will get California, Washington, Oregon and New York and Illinois.

[rich]

>>>Not having looked, I'd have guessed homicides were below average during the March/April lockdowns. Which suggests May/June must have been nuts.<<<

it's adorable that you think urban career criminals started following the law during the lockdowns and then went back to their ways when protests we the order of the day.

[henry]

It isn’t just NYC.

https://www.cbs58.com/news/milwaukee-homicide-rate-up-96-compared-to-this-time-last-year

[Narciso]

So whos the vindman 2.0

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1277634976020824064

[matt - deplore me if you must]

There have been 6 military deaths in Afghanistan this year. SIX.

And the New York Times has the balls to publish a completely unverified story that runs counter to all logic.

This is beyond TDS. Time to roll a NYPD prisoner transport bus and take the entire staff of the Times upstate for a 2 week thorough evaluation of their sanity.

[lyle]

Time to roll a NYPD prisoner transport bus and take the entire staff of the Times upstate for a 2 week thorough evaluation of their sanity.

You misspelled “ship them off to Gitmo.”

[Jack Lillywhite]

Back from the ER and sure enough 2 broken ribs. Don’t cough. Don’t sneeze. Don’t laugh. Pain reaches eleventy.

Got the Rx for low level Acetaminophen codine and an antibiotic.

4 to 6 weeks to heal.

BTW, got seen right away, PA and RN did a bunch of prelims, then an ER doctor. Cat scan. Less than a hour. Very efficient COVID testing done outside of entrance for body temp. I don’t have.
,

[Narciso]

Thats what they gave my mother mamy moons ago, that stuff is junk

[henry]

Ouch.

[Dave (in MA)]

Maryrose, perhaps our host was being tongue-in-cheek.

Jack: I'll try to abstain from being too funny.
JOM: How will we even notice?

[Dave (in MA)]

Acetaminophen with codeine either makes me throw up or unbearably itchy, either way I stop taking it and decide that the pain isn't as bad as the medicine. Hope you feel better soon.

[clarice]

willowed response to Iggy--reference is to Jim Woolsey. I think he's in deep doodoo. Rumor has it he's checked himself into an Alzheimer's facility. Next he'll be wandering around in a bathrobe to prove he can't be tried because dementia.

[Extraneus]

Perhaps he's in self-protection mode, figuring that we'll all be sent to the gulags before they come for him.

[Narciso]

No cold storage the icebreaker in sean parnells last novel.

[Narciso]

Well he started as the chairmam 9f yale law for mccarthy, we thought he had become same.

[lyle]

Back from the ER and sure enough 2 broken ribs.

Told ya. My internet medical prognosis skilz are non pareil. 😎

[Jane]

Ugh Jib,

Hang tough!

[jimmyk]

Not having looked, I'd have guessed homicides were below average during the March/April lockdowns. Which suggests May/June must have been nuts.

Here you go, TM:

Through 6/21 there were 166 murders, vs 134 in 2019 over the same time period. 34 were in the most recent 28 day period. So through 5/24 there were 132. Do the same for 2019, through 5/24 there were 111. So nearly 20% higher through 5/24.

Now through the miracle of the wayback machine:
Through 5/31, 139 vs 117 in 2019. Over the 28-day period 5/4-5/31, 33 vs 17. Meaning that through 5/3 there had been 106 in 2020 vs 100 in 2019.

So yes, May/June were nuts, but Jan-April were evidently no picnic in the park either. A 6% increase 2020 vs 2019.

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf

[Captain Hate]

reference is to Jim Woolsey. I think he's in deep doodoo. Rumor has it he's checked himself into an Alzheimer's facility. Next he'll be wandering around in a bathrobe to prove he can't be tried because dementia.

That's a 2017 article. So everything that happened to Flynn is because Woolsey lied about him? Weren't Mueller's team of genius superstars supposed to be able to figure this out? And fuck Pence for being so dumb as to have Flynn fired for believing that horseshit. Trump/Grenell 2020!

[jimmyk]

In fact, I can go further: In the 28-day period from 4/6-5/3 there were 30 homicides in 2020 vs 22 in 2019. So shockingly, April was pretty nuts too. So much for the lockdown reducing crime.

Robberies, burglaries, and auto theft show a similar pattern, whereas rape is down.

[Narciso]

The reporter with the idiot question, this time, was ryan lizza.

[Barbara]

So sorry to read about your ribs, Jack. Take it easy and let yourself heal.

[Jack Lillywhite]

Lyle,

Correctt. No’s, 2 & 3; below the left armpit but more in back than chest area.

[Davod]

Found at ACE
""Now, she says it's just not safe to be outside in crowds because of the continued threat of [Chinese] COVID-19."
DC Mayor Muriel Bowser Urges Residents to Stay Home on July 4th... After She Marched with Hundreds"

Remember the governor who closed down the state until July 16.

I do think the ratbags will do anything to close down the July 4th celebration.

[Melinda]

DeBlasio to cut NYPD budget

https://nypost.com/2020/06/29/de-blasio-plans-to-cut-nypd-budget-by-1b-as-nyc-shootings-spike/

[Melinda]

Under the radar at SCOTUS:

Supreme Court decides Soros Funded Open Society's foreign affiliates do not have First Amendment rights or any constitutional rights

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/19-177_b97c.pdf

[Funding crimp a comin']

[Buford Gooch]

Mel at 3:21

They voted for him. They "Chose the form of the Destructor"

https://imgur.com/gallery/Lf5iZ93

[Marlene]

Hope you feel better soon,Jack.

[henry]

Mail in vote fraud in Indiana.

https://twitter.com/lizrnc/status/1277611635843137538?s=21

[jimmyk]

Feel better soon, JiB.

[henry]

Kayleigh disembowels NYT. Vid at link.

https://twitter.com/calebjhull/status/1277661461284884481?s=21

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--That's a 2017 article. So everything that happened to Flynn is because Woolsey lied about him?--

I couldn't really see from the article how Woolsey caused the trouble Flynn found himself in nor why he would be in deep doo doo because of it.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--TM:
Plus 69 is unrelated?--

Maryrose, I think TM was again being ironic.

The interesting thing to consider is how many more dead black guys have already been racked up in all the hullabaloo "protesting" the death of one black guy?

[Dave (in MA)]

Imagining a future headline,

Shootings Up Despite Police Budget Cuts

("Fox Butterfield, Call Your Office")

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

According to wiki's numbers, this "spike" in CCP bug cases has resulted in the lowest number of daily deaths since March 25th and the lowest Sunday total since March 22nd when numbers had barely begun to rise from the baseline.`

[Narciso]

Were being flerkined phrasing.

[Narciso]

What i was referring to

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1277659325960531974

[Narciso]

That escalated quickly

https://mobile.twitter.com/GPIngersoll/status/1277622344404668419

[Dave (in MA)]

Narc, "Niskanen Center: Taking the "think" out of "think tank".

[Dave (in MA)]

We need to see more of this:
https://twitter.com/DJEazyTwist/status/1277430912653950976

[Narciso]

Send the ed 209s

[Dave (in MA)]

https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1277677144735395843

Looking into bringing charges in the St. Looie gun brandishing incident.

[matt - deplore me if you must]

I have come up with another metric for our big cities: GHP, Gross Homicide Production.

The Dems will ignore the issue until the cows come home but if we quantify it so that simpletons can understand maybe it will break through their thick skulls.

[matt - deplore me if you must]

f autocorrect - behind

[Narciso]

Evergreen

https://babalublog.com/2020/06/29/dem-senator-leahy-threattens-inter-american-development-bank-not-to-elect-cuban-american-as-president/

[Dave (in MA)]

Word was going around last night that the tucked-in pink polo AR-carrying guy was a Biden donor.

I checked; a guy with the same name from a different state gave to Biden. This guy donated to Trump in '16. http://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=Mark+McCloskey&order=desc&sort=D

[Melinda]

Salt needed:

Danny O’Brien, the executive vice president and head of government relations at Fox News’ parent company, is a former Joe Biden chief of staff who is reportedly actively helping the Biden campaign connect to Washington lobbyists.

https://nationalfile.com/busted-foxs-washington-executive-is-actively-campaigning-for-former-boss-joe-biden/

[clarice]

Iggy, the other piece of the puzzle--while woolsey was working for the Turks to grab Gullen, he claimed Flynn was doing it:https://www.reportforthepresident.org/flynn-innocent

[JimNorCal]

Shocker: The "Russians pay Afghans to kill Americans" might be ... FAKE NEWS

1) yeah, it might be fake
2) if it's not fake, the US will pursue the issue in private with Russia
3) this is NOT something that Trump needs to make a public statement about
4) this is NOT something that Trump needs to announce a public action about

I mean, really. Did the US give millions to the Afghans to kill Russians back in the day? Why ... yes. Yes, we did!

I hope that TM is blushing, at least a little.

[Melinda]

Next wave?

Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53218704

[henry]

Permanent campaign becomes permanent “pandemic” lockdown.

[JimNorCal]

from last thread:

REPORTER: "Does President Trump believe that it was a good thing that the south lost the Civil War?"

answer: Yes, the President always approves when a Democrat Party initiative fails.

C'mon, that's a softball :) :)

[caro]

Whoa, boatbuilder and ccgirl know each other? Ever since she started posting I have been trying to piece together clues because I have been to his family hardware store so many times. So, cc, is your store near Barlow's Boatyard where I had my boat in and out for about the last 20 years? Blink once for yes and twice for no to retain your anonymity.

[Jane]

Clarice,

I just placed an order with Lakanto!

[MissMarple2]

On President Trump's Twitter feed this afternoon, endorsements for 2 Senators and 3 Congressmen.

[JimNorCal]

OK, one more time:
I've just finished Surber's 3rd book in the Trump series. Rather than hold it, I'd like to pass it along if anyone would enjoy reading it.

It's really good.
Fake News Follies covers the first year of the Trump Admin, lots of commentary on the issues and a spacial focus on the (biased) media coverage.

Anyone want it? I'll ship it to you (just find a way to get me the address). No restrictions. Well, someplace in the 50 states LOL

[caro]

ccgirl, I came across a gun guy with a business (glass) on Barlow's Landing Road, if you are interested.

[henry]

Now the media roped gold star moms into the Russian pay per kill Afghan hoax. Despicable.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/mom-of-marine-killed-in-afghanistan-wants-russia-bounty-claim-investigated.html

[Another Bob]

STL PD are considering the pink polo guy’s situation as a case of "fourth-degree assault by intimidation".

By the protesters.

[Davod]

Maybe I read the Woolsey article wrong, but it looked as if he was an employee trying to undercut his employer in negotiations with a possible client.

[Captain Hate]

Now the media roped gold star moms into the Russian pay per kill Afghan hoax. Despicable.

Thanks to Graham, Cheney and Crenshaw for reflexively falling for it too.

[lurkersusie]

Joining Nancy Pelosi

Leader McConnell
@senatemajldr
·
2h
We must have no stigma, none, about wearing masks when we leave our homes and come near other people. Wearing simple face coverings is not about protecting ourselves, it is about protecting everyone we encounter.

[JimNorCal]

TimCast talks about the official Trump Campaign account at Twitch being suspended for hate speech.
And a wave of deletions at Reddit.
Also, he got a an official mail in ballot at his house for someone who doesn't live there anymore.
Two minutes gives you the gist.
https://youtu.be/ikgN5GrHFBQ

[MissMarple2]

Mitch McConnell needs to retire.

I am NOT wearing a facemask. Period.

[Pinandpuller]

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.“
George Orwell, 1984

[lyle]

FU, turtle.

[MissMarple2]

General Flynn
@GenFlynn
·
1h
2% of the passionate will control 98 % of the indifferent 100 % of the time if we don’t wake up.

https://www.westernjournal.com/exclusive-gen-flynn-dont-act-2-people-control-98/

[Melinda]

U.S. Attorney EDVA
@EDVAnews
Chinese national guilty of laundering millions for Mexican drug cartels.
@DEAWashingtonDC

@StateDeptDSS

@DHSgov

https://twitter.com/EDVAnews/status/1277726766606495744?s=20

[caro]

I hate masks. They hide our human expressions and connections. Inhibit human contact. They make me angry as we all become like sheep. Our county has just made them mandatory in public. I may not go out.

We flew to Chicago on Friday for ENR's daughter's wedding. Since few guests would commit to coming to a regular wedding and party in September they moved it to last weekend in the backyard in Three Oaks Michigan with only family and two best friends. It was lovely and everyone took the masks off. Thank goodness. Pretty sure we were the only non crazy libs there but there was a wonderful barn down the road with huge Trump 2020 flags and another that said "Team Deplorable."

Masks also mandatory during the flights. No food or drink served but I sipped on a Diet Coke the whole way to allow for the mask (a bandana) to be removed.

[Another Bob]

“I am NOT wearing a facemask. Period.“

I dunno MM, I’ve been going to Asia long enough, I’m used to seeing people wearing them in public. It’s not a huge deal to me. I’m a “when in Rome” guy.

I get not wanting to forcibly “participate” though.

[Melinda]

Ten Defendants Charged in $1.4 Billion Rural Hospital Pass-Through Billing Scheme

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/ten-defendants-charged-14-billion-rural-hospital-pass-through-billing-scheme

[Dave (in MA)]

caro | June 29, 2020 at 05:23 PM Caro is trying to dox ccgirl.

[MissMarple2]

Another Bob,

I am claustrophobic and when I wear them I start feeling like I can't get air. I will wear them at Kroger's if required, although here in Indiana I would say only about 30% do. Since I can order groceries and pick up, I ususally do that rather than go in and wear the mask.

"Going to Asia" as an example is not a way to encourage me. They eat creepy things there that I won't touch, too.

Sorry. I am a grouchy old Hoosier grandma and I am not changing my ways.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Iggy, the other piece of the puzzle--while woolsey was working for the Turks to grab Gullen, he claimed Flynn was doing it:--

OK clarice, but what's the Joint Task Force MAGA and who is Robert Caron?
That may all be perfectly legitimate and I hope it is and its provenance is known and corroborated.
But it reads kinda like a Hardy Boy mystery written by Alex Jones.
Moreover the claim that Flynn knew of or advocated for the kidnapping of Gullen was never a legal issue; just a rumor. IIRC, he was accused of filing a false FARA document that contained inaccuracies about his dealings and payment by a Turkish outfit. He acknowledged he signed an inaccurate document but has always maintained he didn't know it was inaccurate because he just signed what was prepared for him.
I'm not sure how the Woolsey story effects that end of things.

[MissMarple2]

Kiss My Grits Liberals
✌️
✌️
@Reversequestion
·
1h
Gloves are off now...The 9/11 Memorial in NYC was just defaced with Graffiti.
Still supporting this shit show now???????

[clarice]

I'm flattered, Jane.

[Extraneus]

Marc Elias of Perkins Coix is best friends with Robert Kelner, attorney for Lt. General Flynn.

Isn't that interesting. (From Clarice's 4:55.)

Btw, if that piece by Flynn is for real, great. Welcome back, General. You could help a lot.

[caro]

Dave, you made me laugh. I hope Jack doesn't!
Feel better, Jack.

[MissMarple2]

Jewish Deplorable (Parler: TrumpJew)
@TrumpJew
·
12m
BREAKING: Romney, Graham, and Rubio join forces w/ Dems to introduce measure to block Trump Germany troop reduction

John McCain’s neocon ghost lives on in the Senate

[Jane]

I want it Jim

[Jane]

What does”dox” meaN/ Dave?

[Barbara]

Exclusive from Gen. Flynn: If We Don't Act, 2% of the People Are About To Control the Other 98%

There is now a small group of passionate people working hard to destroy our American way of life. Treason and treachery are rampant and our rule of law and those law enforcement professionals who uphold our laws are under the gun more than at any time in our nation’s history. These passionate 2 percent appear to be winning.

https://www.westernjournal.com/exclusive-gen-flynn-dont-act-2-people-control-98/

[Melinda]

Jane-

Doxxing is the release of personal information IDing a poster's name and address, or at minimum, a searchable trail to do the same. A Bret Kimberlin Specialty.

[Melinda]

Off?

[MissMarple2]

Retweeted by the President. Thread is attached to the tweet.

Jim Banks
@RepJimBanks
·
3h
I just left the White House where I was briefed by CoS @MarkMeadows and top intelligence officials. They discussed @nytimes' hit piece falsely accusing @realDonaldTrump of ignoring reports that Russia placed bounties on American soldiers in Afghanistan.

A thread,
👇

https://twitter.com/RepJimBanks/status/1277684823063171073

Formatted version:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1277684823063171073.html

[Barbara]

Jane,

I believe that to "dox" means to reveal the private information about a per including your name, address(es) — both property and computer — and phone numbers.

[Barbara]

Thank you, Melinda. I had no luck trying to turn the italics OFF.🙄

[Barbara]

s/b information about a person

[D]

MM:
When we get more Republican senators then McConnell can bring up a bill to decrease troops in Germany.
Then it will fail even if those 3 vote in favor.
Timing is everything in politics. President can always veto it .
McConnell doesn’t have to bring it to the floor right now.
Remember Graham is up for re-election and must present a strong military presence to his highly military state , South Carolina.
Most Repubs are interested in self-preservation.
Caro:
So glad to see you posting and we also enjoy when ENR posts as well.
Glad you had a great time at the wedding.
I wear a mask at Target and Heinen’s, our grocery store.
We have next to no Chinese virus here in Rocky River.
It is no skin off my nose to wear a mask.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

The science on masks is, like so much science these days, and nearly all science that intersects with politics, largely a joke, but not a very funny one.
Here is the WHO metastudy which has been so influential in the mask debate.
The first thing you'll notice is almost all of the studies analyzed regard SARS and MERS* and very few about Covid; 36 for the first two and 4 for Covid respectively. That's understandable since Covid is new, but MERS and SARS have very different transmission methods and rates so it's unclear if their data is of any value at all.
Of the Covid studies only 1 studied any type of community transmission and even that one included health care workers and residents of the same household. All the others were health care settings or close family contacts as was virtually every single SARS and MERS study with only seven of the 36 being non health care workers and almost all of those people in close sustained contact.
So only one out of forty studies was of Covid in a community setting at all and it is impossible to tease out the health care/non health care and community/hospital/family exposure aspects of it.
The other big whoop is some study of the German city of Jena where they noted a drop in cases after a mask order was implemented. Was that because everybody started wearing masks or because people got scared and quit going out because a mask order was put in place or any number of other causes that had nothing to do with the order.
Junk "science" and yeah, the scare quotes belong around "science" not junk.

*How come nobody has a fit about Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome being a racist name?

[Melinda]

D-

Don't know if you personally had any responsibility in getting Heinen's profitability up enough to make it happen, but thanks for supporting them well enough to come here in my little haven of 5700. They're a special family.

[Melinda]

Bezos' hire:

‘White Women Are Lucky Black People Are Not Calling For Revenge’: WaPo Opinion Editor

https://saraacarter.com/white-women-are-lucky-black-people-are-not-calling-for-revenge-wapo-opinion-editor/

[Another Bob]

“I am a grouchy old Hoosier grandma and I am not changing my ways.”

LOL, I totally get it...

When I exert myself while wearing one I notice I get winded much faster. Have to get it off my nose.

And there are western-style restaurants of all styles there. My favorite breakfast place in Yokohama is called Royal Host. Pretty close to a Denny’s (which you can also find there).

[Narciso]

Not merely a mistake

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1277741601897529345

[Captain Hate]

Don't know if you personally had any responsibility in getting Heinen's profitability up enough to make it happen, but thanks for supporting them well enough to come here in my little haven of 5700. They're a special family.

I was part of a small BI firm that did some work for them. They run a nice operation. I felt sick when I heard their downtown store was broken into during the "mostly peaceful" demonstrations.

[D]

Mel:
Heinen’s huge here in Northeast Ohio.
I have been supporting them for the 40 years I have lived on the West Side.
A close friend from Cleveland Hts. goes to the one by Captain Hate and the store in University Hts. There is one in Chagrin Falls on the Far East side and Bay Village on the west side where my sister in law lives.
Excellent food and all workers wear masks or face shields and let older workers work 3 days on and then get 3 days off.

[D]

CH:
I was outraged over that destruction at the downtown store which is in the heart of the area where people work.
My nephew works at the Columbus Hilton and my sister was worried about him during the riots down there.

[Narciso]

They derailed an investigation into taliban funding, (redacted) with a pineapple.