Delay The Election?!?

Trump had a baffling tweet suggesting we might need to delay the election until it was safe to vote.

In a calm, measured reaction the head of the Federalist Society said a speculative tweet like this is grounds for immediate impeachment. OK, that's a bit of an over-reaction but it is revealing that a prominent conservative and beneficiary of the Trump/McConnell Judge Confirmation Assembly Line would openly rebel over, well, nothing.

Yuval Levin of National Review takes us through election law. Timing is up to Congress and some tweaks might make sense for 2020 since we will have a surge of mail-in ballots to count:

But there may well be a way for Congress to help the election go more smoothly in those later two parts of the code I just cited above. The problem mail-in voting can create, especially in jurisdictions that aren’t used to so much of it, isn’t about fraud but about delays in counting and verifying results. So what may need to be adjusted is not the date of the election but the Electoral College deadlines that follow it.

I made a case for a reform like this (with Kevin Johnson of the Election Reformers Network) earlier this month in the Washington Post. As things now stand, election day is November 3, states need to finalize their results by December 8 to avoid their being challenged in Congress, and then members of the Electoral College are to meet on December 14. Congress certifies the results on January 6, and the winner is inaugurated January 20. That means that there are 78 days between the election and the inauguration, but states have only 35 of those days to finalize their results. As we’ve seen in some primaries this year, that simply may not be enough time in some contested states.

So rather than changing the election date, Congress should act to push back—just for this year—the date by which states have to finalize results and the date on which the electors meet. Pushing those back by two or three weeks could give contested states a lot more breathing room to deal with the actual challenges involved in mail-in voting while the election, certification, and inauguration would all go on as scheduled.

 

Comments

[Melinda]

Christopher F. Rufo
@realchrisrufo
BREAKING: Seattle City Council moves to abolish the entire Seattle Police Department and replace it with a "civilian led Department of Community Safety & Violence Prevention."

They want to replace the police force with nonprofit programs and "community-led activities."

https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1289226549749673984

[Melinda]

Dave-

Will post in a bit.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Since Trump likes trolling so much he should declare he will withhold all Federal law enforcement funds until every Dem led municipality has abolished its police department and replaced it with a Committee of Public Safety.

[Jim Eagle]

Geebus,

What the hell is in the air and water around Seattle to affect the critical thinking of people?

BTW, Catsmeat just called and is on her way for a little meet-up!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

The only reason the NHL guys didn't kneel is because it's hard to get back up with all those pads and ice skates on.

[MissMarple2]

Jack,

What fun! I used to meet people here at Shapiro's deli or at the airport concourse. I always enjoyed meeting JOMers, and still would if the state would get so you could eat out again.

[Melinda]

Dave:

“So. The -32.9% is the Change from the prior Quarter quoted as a Percentage. Call it acceleration from a certain previously known steady speed.

So, and I can only explain this from a physics standpoint, so I’m using cars.

You’re going a steady 60 in the left lane passing a slow semi on a slight curve. Oncoming semi appears before you can overtake, you brake to drop back behind your side semi.

The -32.9% is your rate of change from 60 down to less than that of semi you were passing, in which this case would be dropping from 60 (-5.0 in first quarter) to 40.2 mph to get behind the semi (or -9.5 in 2nd quarter).

So you’re actually annualizing the measured final steady speed AFTER braking, but using the 32.9% deceleration to determine what that final speed measured actually was.

Two different numbers entirely. -9.5 is the final measured speed as implied by the measured rate of change(-32.9) to that speed.

Does that help?“

Part 2:

“It actually works better if you think you’re overtaking a braking semi (-5.0) going down a steep hill and a semi is coming up the hill. You have to slow down to -9.5 to get back behind by braking, or changing your speed by -32.9% from the -5.0.“

[clarice]

Thanks, Jane.

When he moves in 3-4 months after his place is done. I'll let you know. He's a great guy and, I think, a good golfer.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Sincere question;
What, if anything, is the difference between pessimism and defeatism?

[Old Lurker]

Mel "civilian led Department of Community Safety & Violence Prevention."

Didn't Robespierre already use that name?

[Melinda]

Almost!

Let's go to Monsieur Marat for the proper definition!

Oh, wait....

[Threadkiller]

Slapshot National Anthem scene(minus the pregame brawl):

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXjdwAbBa5c

[Melinda]

And right on cue....

Karli 🇺🇸
@KarluskaP
Postal Service may close offices, cut service ahead of election - MarketWatch 👀 marketwatch.com/story/postal-s…

https://twitter.com/KarluskaP/status/1289223625891958784

[Melinda]

Tk-

Wholly underrated documentary.

[Manuel Transmission]

Well, I don’t want to step on jim_nj’s toes here, but I assume he lost his innerweb thingie before he got to it.

https://news.usni.org/2020/07/30/stratcom-co-chinese-russian-build-up-of-nuclear-weapons-will-test-u-s-strategic-deterrence

Asked whether he advocated the United States adopt a “no-first-use” policy when it comes to nuclear weapons, Richard said, “we have to be very humble when it comes to policies like that… We’re going to be tested in ways we were never tested before.

[Threadkiller]

Pessimism is an easier charge to make against someone pointing out what appears to be, in their view of the playing field, an obvious issue of our side not being on a good footing to respond in kind to the opponents, let alone defeat them.

Defeatism is the Godwin’s Law caricature of those same people when the issues they bring up cause sadness and charges of Pessimism aren’t making an emotional dent.

:-)

[Melinda]

This has backfire written all over it (From the "Blue Wave" Media Twitterati):

Betsy 🌊 🇺🇸 🆘️ 💙 #PRU #GoJoe #GoJoe2020 🌊😷
@erichards24
This man is trying to destroy USPS for @realDonaldTrump and the @GOP
@PostalService

Mikel Jollett @Mikel_Jollett
This is Louis DeJoy. He is the huge Trump DONOR who Trump made the Postmaster General of the United States. He is trying to DESTROY the US Postal Service to help Trump steal an election.

We need to make him famous.

https://twitter.com/erichards24/status/1289236128948617218

[Melinda]

Constitutional Republic TEXT TRUMP 88022
@CRRJA5
LMA 😂 Fauci just proves he doesn’t know $hit about anything

Why are we listening to this incompetence? pic.twitter.com/c0WYihtsoK

https://twitter.com/CRRJA5/status/1289237401554923522

[Threadkiller]

Mel, although I don’t actually have a written top 10 must have movie list, Slapshot, when it comes to mind, is in the top 5.

[Threadkiller]

Later!

[Melinda]

Markey in Error of sample range? Do tell!

Max J. Rosenthal
@maxjrosenthal
NOW WE'RE TALKING

Polling USA @USA_Polling
#Massachusetts Dem Senate Primary Polling:

Markey: 40%
Kennedy: 36%

JMC / July 30, 2020 / n=500 / MOE 4.4% / Telephone

winwithjmc.com/wp-content/upl…

Show this thread

https://twitter.com/maxjrosenthal/status/1289238036648210438

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Jane,

Thanks for letting us know about Herman Cain's daughter being sick with the virus, and him taking her to the hospital. Where did you hear that? I want to be ready to quote with some of these jerks.

SHE didn't, I did. I got it from a friend's personal FB page (the page is public, but it is his personal postings from family stuff to links to his weekly columns that are published statewide by multiple local online "papers") who worked for the same local TV station WSB as Herman and was a frequent commentator on Herman's show. His name is Bill Crane. He is the WSB election analyst for all election coverage.

[Melinda]

It's a documentary, not a movie.

Except for Hot Wheels and stinkin' Cream Soda.

[Pinandpuller]

TIL cattle were treated better in 1300 BC than retail employees in 2020:: "For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?"-1 Corinthians 9:9

[Neo]

Rep. @Jim_Jordan
GRILLS Dr. Fauci on whether protests are increasing the spread of the virus.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1289211483709202437

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

2020 continues to be the year of the GREAT Suck. Atlanta and the world just lost two greats of the Civil Rights community, the Reverend C.T. Vivian and Georgia's Fifth District Congressman John Lewis. I knew and interacted many times with Congressman Lewis, and briefly with Reverend Vivian, but today brought me news of the loss of another leader, and in this case, a good friend.
Herman Cain, a successful entrepreneur, former Presidential and U.S. Senate candidate and longtime radio talk show talent at WSB Radio, as well as nationally syndicated commentator succumbed to the Corona Virus. He will not be the first person taken too soon by this pandemic, nor the last, but the place he leaves behind was and is a unique one.
Herman was a Black conservative. They are not as rare as a white Rhinocerous, or white deer, but they can be hunted and targeted, even within their own communities, almost as fiercely.
I met Herman, at the kind introduction of longtime Georgia GOP activist Dot Burns in 2004 when he was seeking the GOP nomination for U.S. Senate. Herman was his usual cordial, always positive and high energy self. Our first conversation lasted well beyond pleasantries and about 15 minutes into that chat Herman said, "It has been a pleasure meeting you, and I hope I can count on your vote."
Though I'm not entirely sure why I felt obligated to respond to that directly, I came back with... "You have impressed me Mr. Cain, and though I have already heard and now experienced good things in you, you will go far in politics, here and I think elsewhere, but I have already committed my vote to my longtime friend and sometime mentor, Johnny Isakson."
Herman continued smiling, did not miss a beat and said, "Well, maybe I will give you a reason to change your mind, but a pleasure meeting you just the same."
He went and rejoined Dot, for a continuing tour of the room. In 2006 I would join the large ensemble team of talent at AM750WSB, the then-largest radio news operation in the southeast, and continually one of the highest-rated News/Talk format stations in the nation for decades.
Herman Cain was originally brought in to the WSB Radio team as a fill-in host,and I would later learn in addition to an impressive business career with Burger King, Pillsbury, Godfather's Pizza and the National Restaurant Association, that Herman had also chaired the regional Federal Reserve Bank during his tenure in Kansas City.
I got to know Herman, heard often of his wife Gloria and two children...and as Herman's conservative star was rising, he became WSB Radio's nighttime conservative voice and talk show host. The New Herman Cain Show was born.
The talent roster within Cox Media Group was and is deep. Herman had access to all of the news and talk talent as well as the inestimable resource of the walking Encyclopedia of Presidential elections and Congressional politics, Jamie Dupree, who was already a regular contributor to the Sean Hannity program, also syndicated and then appearing earlier in the day on WSB.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Weird Typhus will not let me post the rest of Bill's post about Cain. I give up... I've tried breaking the rest up, but there is something there that Typhus doesn't like.

[rse]

Oh, henry--

CogSci 2020 Virtual Developing a Mind:Learning in Humans, Animals, and Machines

https://cognitivesciencesociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Full-Program-Final-v9-for-web.pdf

Equivalence

[jimmyk]

If Cain's daughter had the virus, and he took her to the hospital, I guarantee you won't read about it in the MSM, or find it on Google. Doesn't fit the narrative that Trump murdered him.

[rse]

Steph--

He left out that Cox Media is no longer owned by the Cox Family and boy is there a noticeable shift in the broadcasts' priorities.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Pertinent part of Bill's post:

One last anecdote, as news outlets and particularly cable networks, will continue to insinuate that Herman caught COVID19 while attending a Trump campaign rally in Tulsa, sans mask, I think you should know that it was Cain's daughter who came home to be with Herman and his wife Gloria, experiencing several COVID19 symptoms. Herman later was taking her to be cared for at an area hospital. Herman having had multiple forms of chemotherapy as aggressive treatments against his prior cancers had a somewhat compromised immune system. As his daughter was being taken in to care, Herman stood up out of his car to check on her and collapsed at the door to the E.R. He was taken into the hospital as well, and unfortunately this virus did the rest...but even until the end, Herman was fighting back and I hear from those who did speak to or Email with him, he still had those jokes and that smile and high spirit with him until the end.

F Typhus...

[rse]

Steph-

wasn't he at the original P'mont location?

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Yep, rse...

he is a former CoC - Georgia employee, and an employee for one or more politicos including MAX CLELAND and very derp when it comes to the machinations of the media/deep state and the complicity of the CoC in the machinations of the global cabal and the existence of the uniparty. Insists that is all fantasy and that was his most fervent disagreement with Cain on his radio show.

When you are standing in the forest, you really can't see how far it extends...

Nice guy, been in politics peripherally forever (he even had a kids show on WXIA IIRC back in the 70s on news on Sat morningsbefore he went to work for Cleland and the CoC), but surprisingly naive about all that goes on around him. Derpity Derp Derp...

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

I believe so, RSE.

[henry]

rse, mind as LEGO. Such idiocy.

[rse]

Steph-

If you are referring to the political pundit you were quoting, my understanding is that one of his children has medical issues that leave him unable to bite any hand feeding him.

An old friend of his told me that story about the time my book came out in terms of "some stories he is not free to see or cover". Sad and not the least bit uncommon.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Defeatism is the Godwin’s Law caricature of those same people when the issues they bring up cause sadness and charges of Pessimism aren’t making an emotional dent.--

Perhaps.
But when I looked for definitions after I asked the question I got;

pessimism noun

pes·​si·​mism | \ ˈpe-sə-ˌmi-zəm
also ˈpe-zə- \

: an inclination to emphasize adverse aspects, conditions, and possibilities or to expect the worst possible outcome
: His pessimism about the future of our country depresses me.
****************
defeatism noun

de·​feat·​ism | \ di-ˈfē-ˌti-zəm
, dē- \

: an attitude of accepting, expecting, or being resigned to defeat
: It was a country that had succumbed to paralysis and defeatism and nostalgia.

The italics are actual examples at Dictionary.com the latter one being about the pre-Thatcher UK.
The first synonym listed for pessimism was defeatism and the first synonym listed for pessimism was defeatism.
So I still don't know what the difference is or if there is one.
I suppose a pessimist could say they hadn't given up fighting, only that it was futile, but a defeatist might say the same thing; they expect defeat but will go down swinging.
In either event does pessimism and/or defeatism make it less likely one will prevail? I'm pretty sure I do know the answer to that question.

[rse]

Yes, henry, but pertinent to who that MIT prof was that I raised with MM this morning.

I was on 3 webinars yesterday in a major threat to my sanity. Back to back and if parents really understood what digital learning married to Student Management Systems was throwing out and how learning standards actually work they would be horrified.

Another webinar pitched the techniques to teachers as "how to make learning stick". I may know how the neural net is to work and who created the theory now being implemented but teachers just get taught how to do it.

The 2nd webinar was tied to the ed lab in CO implicated in the columbine shooting since those kids had been guinea pigs for the template since at least upper elementary.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Correct rse... down's syndrome. She's a cutie, though.

[jimmyk]

On GDP, I hesitate to go against Mel, but I think the way to see it is this: If GDP was 100 in 2019Q4, it was about 99 in 2020Q1 (-5% annualized decline) and about 90 in 2020Q2.

Incidentally, by contrast, Sweden had +0.1 in Q1. They haven't reported Q2 yet. So through March, by locking down we spent about $200 billion just in lost GDP (never mind all the stimulus money), and that will probably be more like $1 trillion through June, for essentially no benefits.

[Jane]

Thanks Stephanie,

I had no memory of where I got it. I just knew it was verified.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Even if Herman Cain caught it at a Trump rally, did Trump kidnap him and force him to attend?
People doing as they please and taking responsibility for their own actions just doesn't compute with a prog.

[henry]

Because a rush order should cost less than a normal order... or something.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/coronavirus-house-report-accuses-trump-administration-of-waste-fraud-or-abuse-in-us-ventilator-contract.html

[Captain Hate]

They only give lip service to freedom, Iggy.

[Old Lurker]

Iggy, I tend to think pessimism is a direction we are headed and defeatism is an end state.

But you can find whatever words you want to use on whomever you like.

The "hostility" you thought was in my post last night was a reaction to your simplistic comparison, for the purpose of dismissing my points, of historical challenges which were almost all "us" against an external enemy which is different from half of us wanting the boat to sink and the rest would rather it not. Yes the Civil War was different in your series.

You also dismissed the bell curve aspect of what sorts of people we had in the past and what sorts we have now as if since both periods had/have stars and also had/have losers, these times are same old same old.

Whatever.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Even if Herman Cain caught it at a Trump rally, did Trump kidnap him and force him to attend?
People doing as they please and taking responsibility for their own actions just doesn't compute with a prog.

Reminder:

All persons at all destinations and those traveling with Trump are tested before any contact. All WH employees are tested daily.

If anyone backstage or on stage at the rally had Covid, they would have been tested with a negative result. So in that instance, it is either a false negative or no one at the rally that Herman came in contact with was positive...

Louie Gohmert was scheduled to fly on AF1 this week with Trump to an event and was banned from the travel and event once he tested positive. It's how Gohmert found out he was positive. So this result shows that the bubble around Trump is working.

[jimmyk]

This should be grounds for dismissal:

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/509889-iowa-teachers-write-and-send-their-own-obituaries-to-governor-ahead

The poor snowflakes. Do we really want people like this teaching our children?

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Unless a prog wants to argue that the arbitrary 6 foot social distancing (spit) that Fauci insists is optimal isn't and Herman caught it from people in the crowd 20 or so feet from the podium as they NEVER had access to the stage or backstage.

Point that out and watch their heads explode. It is quite fun to watch their hamster wheel have fits and starts as to whether their medscience God Fauci is fallible or their supposition that Herman got the virus at the rally is faulty. Just be warned that the resultant spittle from said prog is toxic.

[hrtshpdbox]

JimmyK, someone needs to write up the news stories of people attending the funerals, laughing and high-fiving.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

The poor snowflakes. Do we really want people like this teaching our children?

In Florida, they are making a big deal about teachers updating their wills..

Why it is as if they are military about to deploy!

[lyle]

Do we really want people like this teaching our children?

Too late.

[jimmyk]

Too late.

So OL is sockpuppeting lyle now? :)

[Old Lurker]

Lyle "Do we really want people like this teaching our children?

Too late."

They already taught most of the children from Late Boomers on. That's why so many voted for Hillary and think 97% scientists get to vote on what the science is. And why...everything else they think.

It ain't what they don't know that will get them; it is what they know for sure that just is not true.

[Old Lurker]

While you are here, Jimmy, my "too late" last night was in response to your wonder at the vastness of rights erased by Covid tyrants and whether we would rise up against that over reach. Since that was March, and tomorrow is August, as my kids say "Piggedly-Parently-Not".

[mockmook]

Stephanie --

the <ul> and </ul> tags are a good way to isolate quoted material

[Captain Hate]

According to the Horde NRO just posted an article about Susan Rice using a picture of Condoleeza Rice.

[mockmook]

Let it all "Burn" Friday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJiiGXFaqvY

[Extraneus]

What became of the move to give businesses immunity from these sorts of lawsuits?

Last I saw, McConnel said that no stimulus bill will pass the Senate without liability protection and Pelosi said the converse regarding the House.

[lyle]

Gotta keep the trial lawyer constituency fed, huh, MaligNancy?

[Jane]

If Susan Rice is the proposed nominee, I suggest Durham releases his report the day before Biden announces, so she can be arrested before.

[clarice]

We're all going to die someday. Why not force feed fatsos Vit D and Hydroxy with zinc, isolate those in nursing homes and leave us alone.I'd rather die in comfort than in penury.

[Melinda]

Jimmyk-

Yours is simpler. Mine has bias for my use, shoulda thought of that.

[Dave (in MA)]

Thanks Mel.

[Melinda]

Ivan the K™
@IvanTheK
FBN: SOURCES SAY MICROSOFT IN TALKS TO BUY TIKTOK

Can't wait...

https://twitter.com/IvanTheK/status/1289265513642762248

[Dave (in MA)]

According to the Horde NRO just posted an article about Susan Rice using a picture of Condoleeza Rice.

How about Donna Rice? Jim Rice? Uncle Ben's?

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

From a friend:

People who think "Antifa" is "anti-fascist" because "it's in the name" must be gobsmacked to find out that a titmouse is a bird.

[Melinda]

Ryan Hughes
@WFLARyan
#BREAKING: Tampa teen arrested for July 15 @Twitter hack that affected accounts belonging to people including @BarackObama, @BillGates & @elonmusk. Suspect is 17, according to @AndrewWarrenFL's Office. Details: wfla.com

https://twitter.com/WFLARyan/status/1289258997933998080

[Dave (in MA)]

Steph, a titmouse is a bird even in the Democratic Republic of North Korea.

Though that might not be a convincing way of getting the point across to a sympathizer of the hammer and sickle bunch out there mostly peacefully protesting.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Model kiss of death:

Per Rick Reichmuth:

The hurricane models are all pretty much in agreement that the track for the storm is going to take it along the Atlantic shore and not go ashore in Florida.

Prepare accordingly.

[Dave (in MA)]

I used this in a facebook group where the claim was made that Herman Cain believed Trump's statement that the virus was a hoax.

The four circles in this Venn diagram represent the groups of people who believe that

• Trump said to inject Lysol
• Trump said to drink Clorox
• Trump said to eat fish tank cleaner
  and
• Trump said the virus was a hoax

[Dave (in MA)]

I did that Wednesday, but no responses (aside from Likes from a few conservatives). They're probably trying to figure out where the other three circles went.

[Melinda]

Dave-

Maybe if you used 3 colors.....

[Melinda]

Esteemed French Dr. Didier Raoult Testifies Person Behind Death Threats He Received Is Top Doctor Linked to Gilead Pharmaceuticals

Way back in late March Laura Ingraham reported on the latest study by the French research team led by the renowned epidemiologist Dr. Didier Raoult that was able to repeat his findings from a previous study.

This time Dr. Raoult administered hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to 80 patients and observed improvement in EVERY CASE except for a very sick 86-year-old with an advanced form of coronavirus infection.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/esteemed-french-dr-didier-raoult-testifies-person-behind-death-threats-top-doctor-linked-gilead-pharmaceuticals/

[Neo]

a lenient non-prosecution agreement

What makes anybody think that there isn’t a similar lenient non-prosecution agreement with the Clintons ?

[Extraneus]

CNN Redefines Women As ‘Individuals With A Cervix’

“Individuals with a cervix are now recommended to start cervical cancers screening at 25 and continue through age 65, with HPV testing every five years as the preferred method of testing, according to a new guidelines released by the American Cancer Society,” CNN published.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

If the US flag is racist, why did it drape the casket of John Lewis?

Things that make you go hmmmm..

[Dave (in MA)]

Heh™, Mel

[Melinda]

Let me clarify, once again, three Different colors, since the smart ass answer now leaps out that all my brothers' would naturally use.

[Marlene]

Breaking news from Howie Carr: no death penalty for the Boston Marathon Bomber. First Circuit Court overturned.

[jim nj]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/breaking-documents-released-epstein-case-last-night-contain-redactions-can-unredacted-copying-notepad/

Oops, if true.

[Dave (in MA)]

Gov. Mike Huckabee@GovMikeHuckabee
· Watch @seanhannity @FoxNews 9pmET 2nite; I'll model a mask a Dem just gave me. 100% plastic and worn over the entire head with a sealing device around the neck. Reportedly not a particle of anything gets in or out. That'll stop that Chinese virus dead in its tracks!

[John S]

Regarding the idiocy of saying that GDP declined 36% in the second quarter, I guarantee that when it rebounds 5% in the 3rd quarter, annual rate over 12%, that suddenly reporters will scratch their heads and do some research before they blindly report the 12% figure.

[John S]

oops. 5 times 4 is 20. I mean they will never report an annualized increase of over 20%

[Dave (in MA)]

Too bad the Watertown cops didn't empty their weapons into the boat.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Iggy, I tend to think pessimism is a direction we are headed and defeatism is an end state.--

Fair point.

--The "hostility" you thought was in my post last night was a reaction to your simplistic comparison, for the purpose of dismissing my points, of historical challenges which were almost all "us" against an external enemy...--

That's not a fair point. 1860, 1912, 1921, 1932, 1968, 1973, 1980, 1992, 2008, 2012 and 2016 were all references to internal domestic things we were told either we wouldn't be able to come back from or, for instance 1980 and 2016, were us coming back from what we were told was the end of it all.
Every single one of those cases is unique and quite different from the rest so I don't see how it is simplistic.
You apparently think this time we are doomed. I don't. Your argument is no more complex, sophisticated or nuanced than mine.

[lyle]

Too bad the Watertown cops didn't empty their weapons into the boat.

You mean The Dreamboat?

::Rolling Stone mag cover ref::

[lyle]

https://quillette.com/2020/07/29/why-democrats-are-trying-to-shut-me-up-about-climate-change-and-renewables/

I further made the case that climate change was distracting us from a far greater and more urgent threat, which is the global domination of nuclear energy by China and Russia, which could be disastrous for US interests and the future of liberalism and democracy around the world.

Nations that partner with Russia or China to build nuclear plants are effectively absorbed into their sphere of influence. The line between soft power and hard power runs through nuclear energy. On the one side is cheap and clean electricity. On the other, a stepping stone to a weapons program.

During today’s hearing, several Democratic members claimed that renewables today are cheaper than existing grid electricity. But if that were true, I replied, why do solar and wind developers require hundreds of billions of dollars from American taxpayers in the form of subsidies?

The Democrats are basing their climate agenda on what California did. But California’s electricity rates since 2011 rose six times more than they did in the rest of the US, thanks mainly to the deployment of renewables and the infrastructure they require, such as transmission lines.

Can’t question their religious beliefs, can we?

[Melinda]

lyle-

If I were a cynical person, I'd want to know if those installations were handled by a firm WITH connections over firms that handle electrical connections, leaving aside Time & Material contract specs of course.

[lyle]

If I were a cynical person

“If”?

Here, this will help you get rid of any of that pesky doubt:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/31/dr-fauci-theres-no-inconsistency-in-banning-church-and-business-but-allowing-mass-protests-n737783

Do click and read the little worm’s responses—if they could actually be described as such—to Jim Jordan.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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1h
We just got 50% in Rasmussen, and much higher in our internal polls. We are doing a new ad campaign on Sleepy Joe Biden that will be out on Monday. He has been brought even further LEFT than Crazy Bernie Sanders ever thought possible. By the way, Bernie’s people love me on Trade!

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
1h
.@BillHagertyTN, an outstanding man and one of the best Ambassadors ever (Japan), is running an excellent campaign for the Senate. He loves Tennessee and loves our Country. We need him badly in Washington. He has my Complete and Total Endorsement!

To donate, go to the site below:

https://secure.winred.com/teamhagerty/launch

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
Jun 2
Congresswoman Jackie Walorski (@jackiewalorski
) is doing an incredible job for Indiana. She fights for Small Businesses, the Economy, and our incredible Military and Vets! Jackie has my Complete and Total Endorsement! #IN02

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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51m
Pelosi & Schumer have no interest in making a deal that is good for our Country and our People. All they want is a trillion dollars, and much more, for their Radical Left Governed States, most of which are doing very badly. It is called a BAILOUT for many years of bad Dem Mgmt!

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
50m
Pelosi & Schumer blocked desperately needed unemployment payments, which is so terrible, especially since they fully understand that it was not the workers fault that they are unemployed, it’s the fault of China!

[Old Lurker]

OK so I looked at those dates too fast before firing, Iggy.

Fair point right back to you.

As Capn said last night....still friends.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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48m
Very disappointed in @SenSchumer for blocking the temporary extension of the $600 nemployment benefits. The Do Nothing Democrats are more interested in playing politics than in helping our deserving people. DRAIN THE SWAMP ON NOVEMBER 3RD!

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
48m
The Democrats are holding back the $1,200 to $3,400 (family of four) checks that were ready to be sent out!

[MissMarple2]

Retweeted by the President. Link goes to video.

WATCH → Dr. Fauci says @realDonaldTrump's leadership saved lives and that he was in agreement on the decisions.

Did stopping flights from China and Europe save lives?

Fauci: "Yes."

Did early domestic strategies to slow the spread save lives?

Fauci: "I believe it did." pic.twitter.com/AGSr9ygwIQ

— Steve Scalise (@SteveScalise) July 31, 2020

[MissMarple2]

Retweeted by the President. Link goes to video.

WATCH → Dr. Fauci says @realDonaldTrump's leadership saved lives and that he was in agreement on the decisions.

Did stopping flights from China and Europe save lives?

Fauci: "Yes."

Did early domestic strategies to slow the spread save lives?

Fauci: "I believe it did." pic.twitter.com/AGSr9ygwIQ

— Steve Scalise (@SteveScalise) July 31, 2020

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

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