Who Won and Who Cares?

I prefer Pence over Harris but if that debate didn't change any minds then Harris won. Time's a wastin' on the Trump turnaround.

Comments

[henry]

The “fly” won. It got the most free airtime

[Kathryn Anne]

Pence won and we all care because he exposed Kamala for the lying idiot that she is and always will be.

[clarice]

How many people actually watched this? Anyone still sitting on the fence now should just forget about it and probably will.

[Narciso]

Willowed

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1314255778799390724

[henry]

Plus BLM is converting people looted suburb by looted suburb. Wauwatosa up for destruction after being softened up last night.

[Captain Hate]

Time's a wastin' on the Trump turnaround.

What turnaround would that be? Oh the polls that had RBG swearing in The Beast.

[Narciso]

Not so much
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/10/dishonest-kamala-lied-about-honest-abe/

[henry]

More important than a debate:

@jrrosswrites

BREAKING: A split federal appeals court has stayed a judge's order delaying the deadline for Wisconsin's absentee ballots.

In the 2-1 decision, court ruled the proposed change was too close to the election.

Keeps 8 p.m. Election Day as deadline for Wisconsin absentee ballots.

[henry]

ROFL. Wauwatosa is a continuation of Milwaukee. Not even close to rural.

@rebelheartbea

The BLM/Antifa peaceful protesters are rioting and vandalizing rural homes in Wauwatosa Wisconsin. This is coming to a neighborhood near you soon if you continue to defund police. Get locked and loaded everyone and defend your family and home.

[Tom R]

Hey Beasts are you a Bama alumni? (willowed)

FYI I've spent the last several weeks on a FB group of parents whose kids attend any public university in Alabama. I have a kid at Bama and to my disappointment the administration at Bama has become the same kind of leftwing lunatics you find at other universities around the country. You would not believe the COVID 19-related draconian/totalitarian measures they have been inflicting on students so far this semester. For several weeks all social activities were banned and students were not allowed to even visit other people in the dorms.

It's apparently worse at Bama than other universities in state. Another thing that makes the situation at Bama worse compared to the other schools is that the mayor of Tuscaloosa is a leftwing Democrat who apparently has adopted the same tactics that DeBlasio is enforcing in NYC. Last week the Tuscaloosa PD arrested several hundred students after the Texas A&M game and gave them $300+ fines for not wearing a mask in public.

Last but not least, the Bama SGA is forcing all student organizations (500+ on campus) to undertake mandatory SJW diversity training. Every student organization must have 20% of their members attend this mandatory training aka SJW propaganda/indoctrination or they won't be allowed to do whatever it is their organization was created to do. There are multiple Christian student organizations on campus like the Baptist Student Union who are being forced to watch "diversity" training that condemns Christians for being pro-life, supports the ANTIFA/BLM movement, etc.

Suffice it to say I and countless number of parents are livid about what has been going on at Bama this semester.

[GUS]

Henry, I too was going to mention that TOSA is a suburb. It was the most beautiful suburb when I was growing up. Even WARREN SPAHN lived there.

There is nothing about bLACK lies matter or the black community that has endeared them to me.

NOTHING.

[Tom R]

It's hard for me to believe Wisconsin is even considered a battleground state at this point. With all the destruction caused by ANTIFA/BLM riots you would think Wisconsin is solid red in Trump's favor.

[JM Hanes]

Hello MaryRose! Sorry to hear you were locked out, but very glad to know you weren't sick!

henry:

"BREAKING: A split federal appeals court has stayed a judge's order delaying the deadline for Wisconsin's absentee ballots."

Do you suppose any of Trump's judicial appointments are having an effect on recent voting-related decisions? I've been so relieved that multiple courts seem to be taking a dim view of giving Dems extra time to come up with the additional votes they need in tight races.

[Old Lurker]

Willowed Mea culpa to Iggy:

Iggy, you are right of course (1:00 previous thread) that the math is not a straight line. The old adage is that a stock which falls 50% in value has to double to get back to where it was happens to be correct but only at that one spot on the curve. As the fall gets bigger, the climb back gets even bigger (a drop by 2/3 has to triple to get back) and then vice versa for smaller drops. Minus 30% works just as you said.

I shouldn't have skipped over doing the math in making my point in agreeing with Jimmy that climbing up is harder than climbing down. (I confess it didn't look right but I clicked post anyway...)

So sue me.

:-)

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--So sue me.--

I'll need an address to have you served. I will make sure the process server wears a mask though. Stay safe.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Perfect timing by mere seconds, OL. :)

[Old Lurker]

:-) Catch me if you can, Ig.

[JM Hanes]

TM:

"Time's a wastin' on the Trump turnaround."

If history repeats itself, you won't notice it till Nov. 3, or whenever the networks can no longer deny the obvious, whichever comes last.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Mirengoff with a good one to counterbalance his simpleminded stupid one from yesterday;
BIDEN AT GETTYSBURG

These three words are enough to make me sick. Why? Because as my friend Steve Silbiger reminded me, in 1987 when Biden was running for President he bragged that “we Delawareans were on the South’s side in the Civil War.” He also touted the fact that George Wallace once praised him as one of the outstanding young politicians in America.

That’s not all. In the 1970s, Biden worked closely with arch-segregationist James Eastland. He boasted about their relationship just a few years ago when campaigning for Doug Jones.

Almost makes you wonder why an anti-racist like Kabala deigns to run with Biden the bigot.

[lyle]

So the FBI claims they uncovered a plot by right-wing militia to kidnap Waxy Whitmer? How convenient.

Seems they aren’t all that motivated to uncover plots by Antifa and BLM...

[Old Lurker]

And if TM can say this "...but if that debate didn't change any minds then Harris won", then I can repeat what I said early this morning:

Any country that would willingly put Biden/Harris in control over the alternative of Trump/Pence is not a serious society that even pretends to want for itself the dreams expressed in the preambles of the documents that established the country in the first place.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Catch me if you can, Ig.--

I'll just tell my process guy to look for the big house on the beach with the cantilevered Ledge™ and the gun turrets on the corners.

[henry]

JMH, re judges.... likely.

@jrrosswrites

In dissent, Judge Rovner, an appointee of H.W. Bush, says result of decision will be "many thousands" of Wisconsinites will lose right to vote despite taking reasonable steps to exercise it.

"This is a travesty," she wrote.

https://twitter.com/jrrosswrites/status/1314266409325789184?s=21

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Seems they aren’t all that motivated to uncover plots by Antifa and BLM...--

Silly lyle. Mere ideas can't formulate and execute plots.

[Narciso]

Surprise otter

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-10-08/ex-fundraiser-for-trump-rnc-is-charged-over-foreign-lobbying

[peter]

Who cares? (My apologies for actually responding to the blog host's post.)

According to the totally neutral moderator last night, both Trump and Biden are likely to croak in office, so one would think that if you prefer Pence over Harris, then you would vote for that ticket.

Who cares? Anyone who lives in the suburbs who doesn't want the federal government taking over zoning regulations.
Who cares? Anyone who doesn't want a green new deal which will make Solyndra look like small potatoes?
Who cares? Anyone who doesn't want the SCOTUS packed with clones of Sotomayor and Elena Kagan who will become a new superlegislature.
Who cares? Anyone who doesn't want Washington DC and Puerto Rico to become states.
Who cares? Anyone who has more than two dimes in a 401K that they wish to hold onto once all the other hare-brained liberal schemes cause them to run out of OPM and start looking for other sources of revenue?
Who cares? Anyone who doesn't federal control of police procedures, and a national list of police, who have broken federal guidelines, red meat for the trial lawyers..
I could go on

[peter]

So we have to wear masks on the ledge?

[Old Lurker]

Peter the rule only applies out in public.

The Ledge will never be public property.

trust me on that.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Is this the Andy McCarthy column that has people pissed?
Not treason, not a crime — but definitely a gross abuse of power

I recoil at the idea what Brennan, Barry, Hillary etal did was not a crime. But was it? If so what? I suspect there are not a small number of underlying crimes that they could and should be charged with, especially Hillary, but was their use of the levers of government against Trump criminal? If not the statutes need updating, no?

[Jane]

The Nantucket Ledge will be fabulous! And don't worry, we will wipe out the liberals!

[Melinda]

peter-

Only during Carnivale.

[Melinda]

Ask me how I know that...

[Melinda]

John Kass
@John_Kass
Gov. Pritzker and his "Fair Tax" offer you can’t refuse. Just give him what he wants and nobody gets hurt? Taxpayers know how this story ends. They vote with their feet. My latest column #twill @GovPritzker #IllinoisExodus
chicagotribune.com/columns/john-k…

https://twitter.com/John_Kass/status/1314174021945176064

[jimmyk]

an appointee of H.W. Bush

Still further evidence, if any is needed, that the Bushes never quite grasped what we are up against.

[Melinda]

Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_
BREAKING: Newly released McCabe texts from Oct 14, 2016 suggest Sally Yates & WH officials knew about the discovery of Hillary's emails on the Weiner laptop weeks earlier than director Comey has publicly disclosed. The FBI sat on the evidence for a month before seeking a subpoena

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1314273809109745665

[Melinda]

Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_
DEVELOPING: Longtime Hillary operative Jake Sullivan -- a key architect of the #Spygate plot -- is currently advising Biden as a campaign foreign policy aide, drawing Biden even closer into the mushrooming scandal

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1314270543491862528

[Soylent Red]

Ignatz:

Hillary, at a minimum, is guilty of mishandling classified information. The fact that it was found on an unsecured computer and server makes it handling and storage. For that alone she could get five years in FAPP and fines.

Brennan, Comey, and Clapper lied to Congress under oath, when it has been proven that both had firsthand knowledge of what was going on. That used to send you to jail. Probably still does for us plebians.

Brennan, as CIA director, briefed this to Obama. Not sure whether anything can be done to him, but if it ever came out he ordered or blessed criminal activity, it would definitely blot his already garbage record.

This is all theoretical. Special people have special rules and get special treatment. More evidence that rule of law in this country is a forgotten relic.

[Captain Hate]

This is reason enough to terminate the FBI

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=390712

[Neo]

The Biden ads in PA have been casting the Trump delayed withholding of Social Security and Medicare taxes as taking money away from those plans .. and from Seniors. Actually, it merely delays collection.

Trump also dropped a comment at one point that "perhaps we could get rid of them completely", which turned into taking money from SS and Medicare to support his tax cuts.

[Captain Hate]

Is this the Andy McCarthy column that has people pissed?

Not I. It was a tweet making excuses for Haspell.

[BeastsEngland]

Not an alumnus, Tom R. They decided after one year that my services were no longer needed, so I finished at UAH. ;)

I’ve heard some of the rumblings second hand from my daughters. Given their reactions (and mine) I believe it will not produce the outcome desired by the petty tyrants.

p.s., Waddle and Metchie are amazing so far. RTR

[Neo]

At the time of Clinton campaign, she was a private citizen, not a government employee. Any efforts by the POTUS or VPOTUS on down to aid private citizen Clinton would be a violation of the Hatch Act.

[Captain Hate]

The Hatch Act. Good one, Neo...

[Neo]

Sally Yates has been on the short list for a Biden Attorney General.
If she lied about her participation, she is off the list.

[Pinandpuller]

As BLM riots continued in WI, isn't it curious the FBI has an informant in every "White Militia" in the US, but yet are unable to infiltrate ANTIFA, BLM, or the NFAC. They spend all their time trying to encourage/entrap 1 group, while completely ignoring the other. Wonder why?

https://twitter.com/ldf120/status/1314257965055201282?s=21

[henry]

Hatch Act, when counting your chickens turns pro.

[James D.]

CH @ 3:08

McCarthy is never going to stop justifying and defending and explaining away the actions of his federal bureaucrat colleagues. It doesn't matter what they do.

Nothing he says can possibly have any value at this point.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--If she lied about her participation, she is off the list.--

Pretty sure that puts her at the top of the list, not off it.

[Jack Lillywhite]

On the orders of Madame Toussad. Was Governor Whitmervto be captured.

[henry]

Well, how about them apples.

@robbystarbuck

This is a video of Brandon Caserta, one of the ringleaders of the group of men arrested for a plot where the group planned to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer. Caserta has an anarchist flag behind him and in YouTube videos trashes police. He’s not a Republican, he’s an anarchist.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314267058339819520?s=21

[Old Lurker]

Neo "If she lied about her participation, she is off the list."

Why?

Test question: Can you name single person from the Obama and Clinton teams who cannot get a high profile job from Biden?

I can't either.

[MissMarple2]

The FBI is asking for help in identifying a suspect in a bank robbery here.

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/fbi-seeking-information-on-suspect-in-chase-bank-robbery/531-ef6d627c-1a40-4b7a-8e38-f6f64c1e7e46

Mask and sunglasses. MY comment is that this mask mandate benefits certain miscreants. How in the heck can you identify a guy who has on both a mask and sunglasses?

To quote Old Lurker: "Lunacy!"

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Soylent,
Those are all underlying crimes and they should but probably won't be prosecuted.
But is mounting a CIA and FBI op to discredit Trump and swing an election a crime? If it isn't why the hell isn't it?
The Hatch act would be a tough sell because they weren't explicitly electioneering or campaigning for the sozzled, old gargoyle.

[Old Lurker]

James "Nothing he says can possibly have any value at this point."

And therefore I have not wasted ten seconds reading anything he has written in more than two years - just about as much attention as I have given Drudge or Fox News. I like Joe deGenova, but I do not waste time on his crap either.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

OK, now you guys quit bugging me. I've got stuff to do. :)

[Old Lurker]

Ig: "...and swing an election..."

Those things continued well into the elected POTUS's term in office and that right there should be another category of crime.

If ANY of these things are not crimes, then the entire "Rule of Law" is a scandalous fiction.

[Soylent Red]

But is mounting a CIA and FBI op to discredit Trump and swing an election a crime?

IANAL but...seems like an attempt to deprive someone of their civil rights. Moreover it seems like it would violate one or more laws regarding election tampering.

TBH, I don't see this so much as a problem of determining criminal activity but more of will. When they decided to railroad Flynn, they decided what they wanted to do first and supported it with law. This is the Soviet nature of how DoJ works, if I can believe what I read. Whatever the case, I am confident that if someone really had a hard on for these people, they could all be put away for a good long time.

[Melinda]

Taquiya At Werk.

Michelle Malkin
@michellemalkin
Nothing to see here, move along. #VoterFraudIsReal

Jewish Deplorable 🇺🇸 @TrumpJew
BREAKING: Texas mayoral candidate Zul Mohamed (D) arrested and charged on 109 counts of voter fraud

He had made 84 requests for mail-in ballots by posing as different people, which were later found at his residence

https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1314280216726958080

[Jane]

My Gawd it’s hot here. Almost 4 PM and 94 degrees! Come on rain! Come cool us down!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Popped back in for this;
John Tierney; City Journal; A Failed Experiment
The lockdowns must end.

[lyle]

Still further evidence, if any is needed, that the Bushes never quite grasped what we are up against.

Grasped? They were complicit with the globalists.

[Captain Hate]

The Hatch act would be a tough sell because they weren't explicitly electioneering or campaigning for the sozzled, old gargoyle.

Good luck finding any convictions, the penalty for which would be removal from office.

[Neo]

One of the early stories of the alleged kidnap plot against MI Gov Whitmer mentioned that one of the plotters was shown in a video in front of an anarchist flag.
The real questions seems to be:
1) can you be an anarchist and a white supremacist ?
2) can you be a right wing anarchist miltia member and a white supremacist ?
BONUS question
3) can you be a socialist revolutionary anarchist and a white supremacist ?
some of the videos of BLM/Antifa encounters with police have them saying obvious racist chants to minority policemen

[James D.]

Ig @ 4:00

They "must" end but they're clearly not going to.

[henry]

Yeah... trust slo joe. You gotta elect him to find out what he stands for.

https://twitter.com/trumpwarroom/status/1314294811395006465?s=21

[lyle]

From Ig’s 4:00:

The lockdowns may have been justified in the spring, when so little was known about the virus and the ways to contain it. But now that we know more, there’s no ethical justification for continuing this failed experiment.

As if ethics ever had anything to do with the lockdowns past the first few weeks.

[Captain Hate]

I like Joe deGenova, but I do not waste time on his crap either.

Joe's a good guy but some of his "trusted sources" have been playing him for a long time and he's either too dense to know it's happening or can't figure out who it is.

[lyle]

The same can be said of his wife, CH.

[clarice]

GUS, My maternal grandfather used to live in Wauwatosa--my brother and his friends used to camp out on Warren Spahn's lawn in the hope of catching a glimpse of him.

[GUS]

Beautiful area Porch, except it's about 2 blocks west of the MILWAUKEE LINE.

Martha Washington is the street. I went to TOSA EAST.

[henry]

Heh, pics of Wauwatosa real estate listings. (Nice homes, but not gonna sell very fast now).

https://twitter.com/ttfy/status/1314303332341735426?s=21

[Narciso]

Zul shirley they cant be cereal.

Yes i walked about a mile and half, its hot.

[Melinda]

Kimberley Strassel
@KimStrassel
Biden ducks again. On the grounds that his answer to one of the most consequential questions of this election would become a "headline."

Daily Caller @DailyCaller
Joe Biden:

"You'll know my opinion on court packing when the election is over."

https://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/1314303152829591552

[jim nj]

https://thehill.com/homenews/520260-biden-youll-know-my-opinion-on-court-packing-when-the-election-is-over

Kinds like the Obamacare bill.

[Narciso]

Like holder and craig with the eliam rendition, the former went on to flack oxycontin the latter fix cases in the ukraine.

[Marlene]

Jane,yeah! It is really hot, I hope the dark clouds gathering in the east bring rain. Hubby kayaked today and I kept an eye on Scout. He had a rough day at the vet yesterday. He had a tooth extracted and a biopsy on the lump under his leg. I tried to give him crushed ice out of my hand and he turned his head! He feels a bit better now.

[GUS]

Kareem lived in TOSA.

[clarice]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/orthodox-jewish-groups-sue-to-block-new-lockdown-restrictions-in-parts-of-new-york-seeing-covid-19-surges-11602186907

[PDinDetroit]

Neither Mrs. PDinDetroit nor myself could believe Governor Witchmer blaming the plans/actions of these anarchy idgits on President Trump (we caught the TV coverage of her). She claimed since he didn't denounce the KKK, White Supremacists, Proud Boys, etc at the debate last week, this is all on him. She truly is deranged!

[PDinDetroit]

Behind the paywall clarice...

[GUS]

We'll know Biden's opinion on stacking the court, when his millenial staff tells him what it is.

[lurkersusie]

All the rioters to move to Portland

Andy Ngô on Twitter: "Portland's progressive @DAMikeSchmidt has dropped charges of over 540 protest/riot-related cases in the "interest of justice." This follows his policy announcement decriminalizing long list of riot-related crimes. Read my report

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1314290679778955264

[lurkersusie]

Oops, All the rioters should move to Portland

[clarice]

PD: FTAReligious groups filed two lawsuits Thursday challenging the constitutionality of New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s order limiting the size of gatherings inside houses of worship in communities seeing a rise in Covid-19 cases.

The order was part of new lockdown restrictions after city and state officials have for weeks tracked increases in cases in sections of Brooklyn, Queens and Rockland and Orange counties. Most of the affected areas are home to large Orthodox Jewish populations.

The lawsuits were filed in federal court in Brooklyn on behalf of the Diocese of Brooklyn, which represents the Roman Catholic community, and Agudath Israel of America, an umbrella group representing prominent Orthodox rabbis. The restriction took effect in the city on Thursday.

In its lawsuit, Agudath Israel said that Mr. Cuomo imposed the restrictions on the eve of three Jewish holidays, which fall on Oct. 9, 10 and 11, depriving tens of thousands of people of religious worship and observance.

[lyle]

Get a load of this:

https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2020/10/washington-post-blames-systemic-racism-george-daniel-greenfield/

[henry]

Lot of traffic on the farm today. Combine finished up, now one tractor spreading fertilizer and another running a seed drill. No till winter wheat going in.

[Jane]

No rain here yet, and it was supposed to land at 3PM, then 4PM, then 5 - What a joke. I'm going outside anyway! Heat be damned!

[Jane]

Marlene,

give Scout a hug for me, and a kiss for Kiwi. I was thinking about him this morning.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

he United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit on Wednesday reversed a lower court decision to grant a new trial in a fraud case involving Hunter Biden's ex-business partner Devon Archer.

Hunter Biden was not charged in the scheme, but Biden's name was reportedly "invoked at various stages of the fraud as a selling point in transactions."

Archer was indicted on March 26, 2018 and charged with conspiracy to commit securities fraud and securities fraud for a Native American tribal bond scheme hatched by Archer and several of his business partners. After a trial lasting approximately one month, the jury found Archer guilty on both counts. Archer asked the district court to set aside the jury's verdict and successfully pushed for a retrial.

[Captain Hate]

Has that quisling Schoooomer uttered one fucking peep about Kaiser Wilhelm and Catchers Mitt's pogroms?

[JM Hanes]

Old Lurker:

"I like Joe deGenova, but I do not waste time on his crap either."

Ditto here. I'm trying to remember the last time any of his predictions came to pass. I've never really forgiven him, or Tensing (?), however, for giving Eric Holder their stamp of approval when he was proposed for the Atty General spot. They temporarily allayed my fears, but he quickly proved far worse than I had even imaged. Corrupt, arrogant, bigoted, he must be pretty damn slippery to have avoided mention in all the DoJ dirt that's been revealed, when he was Obama's right hand and top of the DoJ heap the whole time.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

The latest from the fevered "other" swamp:

The REAL Pence was caught up in Indiana Pedo Gate, and he was in cahoots with Ryan to be the 2016 ticket; Trump won debates; plans changed. They planned to kill Trump. Caught. Executed. Who you are all having the pleasure to watch on your debates is none other than a clone. (Rabbit hole I suggest you research deeply, 1938) He is completely under avatar control and is programmed to kick Kuntilla's ass. Nothing is as it seems when you watch

[MissMarple2]

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/08/how-eddie-van-halen-changed-the-world-of-music-forever/#.X39ZxzMIHUc.twitter

Mollie Hemingway writes an article for Van Halen fans.

I don't know much about his music, but there was so much talk about him that I thought some people here would be interested.

[Captain Hate]

The latest from the fevered "other" swamp

That sounds dumber than Patterico.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Qbots, CH. I friended a few on FB for the entertainment.

Maybe a plot outline for a future movie script? LOL

[BeastsEngland]

’Who you are all having the pleasure to watch on your debates is none other than a clone.’

Now it all makes sense!! ;)

[Tom R]

Team Trump with another killer ad.

https://twitter.com/trumpwarroom/status/1314317099247054848?s=21

[Porchlight]

Came to the last thread too late, wanted to say hi to maryrose again.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Back to the NL Championships! Woot!

[Narciso]

So like futureworld with paltrow mere and peter fonda yiked.