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Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Great Leno video to check if YouTube is working TK;
The Most Expensive Duesenberg Ever Made

Barbara

Pennsylvania State Supreme Court — isn't that the Court that said the ballots could be submitted up to xxxx days AFTER the election? Didn’t that result in Justice Alito's Court Order to segregate those late ballots?

I think the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court has had its nose out of joint since Justice Alito's Order was issued. The attempt at alliteration with ballots and briefs would be cute if this were not such an important matter. Certainly that justice is not so young or too old (like the great Palmist, Joe Biden) to not know about the multiple court cases in the 2000 election that were heard all the way to the United States Supreme Court.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Pennsylvania State Supreme Court — isn't that the Court that said the ballots could be submitted up to xxxx days AFTER the election?--

This was a Federal Court, Barbara.

Fred Gregory

Eric holder was disqualified to be Attorney General because of his role in the Marc Rich pardon, or at least so said liberal WAPO columnist Richars Cohen back in 2008:

Eric Holder Is Disqualified by the Marc Rich Pardon

By Richard Cohen

Tuesday, December 2, 2008

Soon after Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, the former president and I had a brief telephone conversation. I had been downright heated about the pardon, a lot angrier than I had ever been about Monica Lewinsky. Clinton implied that I had things historically backward. Long after the Rich pardon had been forgotten, he said, the Lewinsky scandal would remain a vivid memory. That day is yet to come. The Rich pardon is back.

The vehicle for this lingering echo from 2001 is the choice of Eric Holder to be Barack Obama's attorney general. Holder was Clinton's deputy attorney general, and he played a significant role in the pardon. When asked by the White House what he thought about a pardon for Rich, Holder replied, "Neutral, leaning towards favorable." These four words have stalked him since.

Rich was a commodities trader who amassed both a fortune and some influential friends in the 1970s and '80s. Along with his partner, Pincus Green, he was indicted in 1983 on 65 counts of tax evasion and related matters. Before he could be prosecuted, however, he fled to Switzerland. There he remained, avoiding extradition and eventually arranging to be represented by Jack Quinn, a Washington lawyer and Clinton's onetime White House counsel -- in other words, a certified power broker. Quinn did an end run around the Justice Department's pardon office and went straight to Holder and the White House. With a stroke of a pen, justice was not done.

Holder was not just an integral part of the pardon process, he provided the White House with cover by offering his go-ahead recommendation. No alarm seemed to sound for him. Not only had strings been pulled, but it was rare to pardon a fugitive -- someone who had avoided possible conviction by avoiding the inconvenience of a trial. The U.S. attorney's office in New York -- which, Holder had told the White House, would oppose any pardon -- was kept ignorant of what was going on. Afterward, it was furious.

When I tell people that I am bothered by the choice of Holder for attorney general, they invariably say that everyone is entitled to a mistake. Yes, indeed. And I add for them that in almost every other way, Holder is a dream nominee. He has been U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, a judge and a well-regarded lawyer in private practice. Moreover, to my personal knowledge, he is charming and well liked by his subordinates. A better attorney general nominee you're not likely to find . . . the pardon excepted.

But the pardon cannot be excepted. It suggests that Holder, whatever his other qualifications, could not say no to power. The Rich pardon request had power written all over it -- the patronage of important Democratic fundraisers, for instance. Holder also said he was "really struck" by the backing of Rich by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and the possibility of "foreign policy benefits that would be reaped by granting the pardon." This is an odd standard for American justice, but more than that, what was Holder thinking? That U.S.-Israeli relations would suffer? Holder does not sound naive. He sounds disingenuous.

Holder sounded just as disingenuous when he told a House committee that he did not "reflexively oppose" the pardon of a fugitive because "I had previously supported a successful pardon request for a fugitive, Preston King." King, a black civil rights activist, chose to be tried for draft evasion in 1961 rather than submit to what he considered racist treatment. After his conviction, he fled to Europe. The two cases are not in the least similar.

As noted, any person is entitled to make a mistake. But no one is entitled to be attorney general. That's a post that ought to be reserved for a lawyer who appreciates that while he reports to the president, he serves the people. This dual obligation was beyond the ken of George W. Bush's attorney general once removed, Alberto Gonzales, whose idea of telling truth to power came down to saying "Yes, sir. Yes, sir." On Guantanamo, domestic spying and Bush's "l'État c'est moi" view of the presidency, Gonzales was a cipher, and the damage of his tenure still needs to be repaired.

Holder was involved, passively or not, in just the sort of inside-the-Beltway influence peddling that Barack Obama was elected to end. He is not one of Obama's loathed lobbyists; he was merely their instrument -- a good man, certainly, who just as certainly did a bad thing. Maybe he deserves an administration job, just not the one he's getting.

cohenr@washpost.com

MissMarple2

peter,

I guess it depends on your outlook on life.

I am getting tired of being told I am a stupid old woman by people like Nose Ring Rasputin and the Android guy, both of whom seem to control an inordinate part of modern life.

I am tired of legal experts who don't do one damn thing to HELP but seem to think nothing of sitting in the critics' corner, proofreading every damn symbol on documents that had to be produced in a hurry.

I certainly wouldn't have thought of a computer which could switch vote counts right under the noses of a GOP governor, nor would I have thought that governor and his secretary of state would be in on it! Why should Trump have thought of that? He's not a computer expert any more than I am.

The "Are we there yet?" crowd seems to imagine that Trump should have hired dependable attorneys from the SAME GROUP who produced Mitt Romney and Lindsey Graham!

On top of that, every other day one of the web sites I use like my bank, Kroger, or the phone company adds another layer of security requiring more passwords and codes and downloading "new, improved" versions that I am reluctant to try for fear that they have some damn program embedded which has instructions to erase "Trump" from the memory and replace it with "Obama"!

Now my daughter, who whined about picking up an outdoor extension cord (WHICH I PAID FOR) so she could put up Christmas lights, went to Kroger and got stuff for a co-worker who has Covid and didn't think to get anything for us, because she didn't want to spend too much money. And we are supposed to get snow on Sunday.

I am pissed off and shouldn't take it out on you. Sorry!

MissMarple2

Catturd ™
@catturd2
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2h
If you think Joe Biden got 11 million more votes than Obama - pull my finger and my butthole will whistle dixie.

Barbara

So this was the Third Circuit Court.

Still concerned about the wording of the decision with one exception, "[the] remedy would be grossly disproportionate to the procedural challenges raised."

MissMarple2

Senator Doug Mastriano
@SenMastriano
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2h
This was posted on our Department of State dashboard but had since been deleted.

Melinda

Heshmat Alavi
@HeshmatAlavi
Interesting to see Obama's CIA director John Brennan literally providing advice to #Iran's regime.

https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1332433300753887234

sbwaters

Peter: since Trump anticipated that there was going to be fraud in the counting, these complaints could have been drawn up weeks before election day

Not sure anyone could anticipate how this fraud was going to occur with the machines or that they would dare be so bold with the numbers.

Another Bob

"being realistic will result in less pain in the long run"

"A mainstay of The Ledge that often gets incorrectly called pessimism."

Exactly.

When you're in the shit, isn't it better to know how much and act accordingly?

Melinda

ABC 7 Chicago
@ABC7Chicago
The Justice Department is quietly amending its execution protocols, no longer requiring federal death sentences to be carried out by lethal injection and clearing the way to use other methods like firing squads and poison gas.​ abc7chicago.com/8310908/?ex_ci…

https://twitter.com/ABC7Chicago/status/1332449151444021256

lurkersusie

Interesting take!

John Cardillo
@johncardillo
Hopefully we’ll find out where those millions in donor money went while you were buying Ferraris and south FL real estate, because you and your biz partners Katie Walsh and Mike Shields certainly didn’t use it to get in front of the massive voter fraud everyone knew was coming.

Brad Parscale
@parscale

Happy Friday. Going on Fox News next week for a 30 minute special with Martha MacCallum. Will be my first time on TV since June. So much to finally say!

MissMarple2

When you're in the shit, isn't it better to act like you don't know what you're doing?

hrtshpdbox

When you're in the shit, isn't it better to know how much and act accordingly?

It is better, but how to find out how much? Anyone who is not directly involved in what's going on has no real grip on it; even those involved are surely suffering forest-for-the-trees-itis. It's all guesses. We don't know for sure whether Trump was even prepared for all this or not, for instance. It's very difficult to draw any lines for where optimism or pessimism or realism begin or end.

MissMarple2

Josh Caplan
@joshdcaplan
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3m
CBS LOS ANGELES: Southern California Edison says more than 16,000 customers still without power

Narciso

They werent his people.

Mr black do you remember when fitz threw you in jail, had your company carved up for scraps by breeden, who ultimately came to your aid pardoning you?

MissMarple2

New York Post
@nypost

Dr. Fauci, Andrew Cuomo, AOC nominated for Time's 'Person of the Year' https://trib.al/gnQNbxw

They really should be glad I am not able to drive right now.

Narciso

As for weinberger and schultz technically what they did was illegal they tried to erase evidence they had authorized it.

sbwaters

What is this thing, "Time"?

Narciso


Luces lamentation sbw


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/why-a-data-security-expert-fears-u-s-voting-will-be-hacked-11587747159

Dave (in MA)

Everyone's favorite Carlos Slim customer...

    Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump ·
    BIG NEWS: Pennsylvania Poll Watcher: USB Drives uploaded to machines, gave Biden thousands of votes. Says 47 USB Drives are now missing. EVERY UPLOAD GAVE BIDEN 50,000 VOTES. @OANN This claim about election fraud is disputed
    Tom Maguire@Tom_Maguire ·
    You say "USB drives" but I hear "missing strawberries."
Another Bob

“isn't it better to act like you don't know what you're doing”

???

“It is better, but how to find out how much?”

‘Box, we’re all, to varying degrees, long time observers and have some basis for an opinion, no? Of course, no guarantees anyone is right.

Melinda

The Babylon Bee
@TheBabylonBee
As a protest against mindless consumerism, we are not offering any Black Friday deals this year. Help us fight godless commercialism by buying some cool Babylon Bee stuff at full price:

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https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1332456262353649664

Another Bob

Anyone else get this text?

“Official Census Bureau request: Please answer survey on COVID-19 crisis. https://covid.census.gov/jfe/form/SV_4OqkkX7x8ViOEi9?Q_DL=SMSD_Cjuzv44Rkm30J9W_4OqkkX7x8ViOEi9_CGC_eLOWpDm2mXQn8tD&Q_CHL=smsinvite Reply STOP to cancel”

Narciso

There was a big rollout with the hbo doc in the spring even on lopates radio show

Art in Newport

It looks to me like the lower courts are just getting these cases off their dockets as fast as they can, which is what we really want.

Which way the decision goes hardly matters for Trump's purposes since the cases are going to be appealed to SCOTUS for the real judgement,

What I worry about is a prog-controlled court that decides to sit on one of these cases for a few weeks.

Another Bob

I clicked the link in a “safe” environment, and on the surface it looks legit.

Barbara

JOM commenters should nominate their choice for person of the year. Call for lyle on the courtesy phone.

Dave (in MA)

tank abrams

Barbara

…getting these cases off their dockets as fast as they can, which is what we really want.

Which way the decision goes hardly matters.

Art in Newport,

Agreed.

Narciso

Hey art how have you been?

Art in Newport

Good enough to lurk, Narciso :) - how about you?

Narciso

Fine, all things considered.

Even though kemp proved ultimately a (redacted) he did break the cycle of lockdown.

Narciso

Although noem did drink any of the koolaid at any time.

Narciso

Kemp and desantis broke from the cycle.

Art in Newport

Noem has a future, yes. National ticket maybe?

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

Noem DeSantis 2024

Narciso

What is the totemic atavism about fauci, if we go by his public statements in the run up his judgement was terrible.

Jane

Marlene,

I got it fixed and the guy talked me into a $2500 add on. I called him about an hour ago and told him I didn’t want it. Now he wants to charge me $350 to take it out. Sometimes I need a husband.

Rocco

Tk, Turley describes a perfect storm going into th weekend beginning with PA. He calls the Majority Policy Committee of the PA legislature's meeting last Wednesday a huge success and with Mastriano's leadrship, brought the "Deplorable Republicans" to Harrisburg and joined the Establishment GOP in stopping this fraud. He claims it was a success because it galvanized the two groups. Then he describes the testimonies in that hearing as shocking.

He ends with Wisconsin stating that a voter has to request a mail in ballot in writing and there are 60,000 ballots in Milwaukee Co and 40,000 in Dane Co with no record of request so by law, have to be thrown out. That gives Trump an 80,000 vote lead in those two counties alone. He's predicting Trump wins by 180,000 votes in Wisconsin. Then the states fall like dominoes.

He also raiss the very likely scenario where a third party rises to punish these GOPe squishes.

Now I've never heard of this National Populist and have no idea if what he says is true, but it gives me some hope.

jim nj

Right now it's just a few court cases that have been stopped. There are others filed and the ones that were stopped can be appealed. Beyond that is the possibility of more suits being filed.

It's a war not just one battle. Having said that I get Peter's point. If they were in the 3rd circuit and crafted they're argument so that it could be rejected that critically so easily that's bush league. If the judges were correct in their assessment that they were being asked to enforce state laws the suit was in the wrong court.

A federal court would be more interested in an equal rights or disparate treatment argument.

lyle

Do I understand that Barbara is nominating moi as JOM Person Of The Year? 😬

Rocco

Good news if true.

Chuck Callesto
@ChuckCallesto
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12m
BREAKING REPORT: Pennsylvania State Legislature Files Resolution to DISPUTE STATEWIDE 2020 ELECTION Results...

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1332467317486333961?s=19

Jane

Iggy,

I love Jay Leno (even if I couldn’t hear the video.). As I’m sure you know, we went to HS toge5ther, and even tho I am 2 years younger, he always remembers me. He’s just a really great guy who still goes to his HS reunions!

MissMarple2

Jame,

That is really neat! I am always happy to hear of a NORMAL person in the entertainment industry.

peter

Lyle, you are in the running, but there are many others here I would consider.

Art in Newport

... then the states fall like dominos ...

I would agree with that, Rocco.

The media has framed this as 'all the disputed states belong to Biden.' When one of them is broken loose and is declared for Trump, the public focus on the rest will become intense.

And none of the fraud can stand any real scrutiny.

Abadman

Porchlight,
Missed your post yesterday. Thanksgiving at my sister’s is always a blast and who wants to miss out on fun reading blogs? 3 of 5 siblings were present with assorted nieces and nephews and friends. Total number is a state secret, but I assure you it was below the Gov’s requirement.

Sitting at Minneapolis airport now waiting for delayed plane.

Belated Happy Thanksgiving wishes to the JOM community. Hope you have had half the fun I had the past could days.


Sitting at the

lyle

Don’t make me blush, peter. 😉

Abadman

s/b past Couple of days

peter

Prefer red to blush, if that was a proffered bribe.

Narciso

In my fourth chapter of my novella i try to understand a character like brennan, actually moved a few chapters down in thr chronology.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Agreed on Leno, Jane. He wouldn't have a prayer of breaking into the biz these days.
Cool that he still goes to the reunions.

Ralph L

Does Leno plan on opening an auto museum?
Maybe after his death?

Narciso


That would seem to be beside the point:

https://mobile.twitter.com/amoreperfect/status/1332112104849952768

jim nj

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-twitter-doug-mastriano-ban-1550794

Twitter Says Republican State Senator Doug Mastriano's Account Was Suspended In 'Error'


Right. Yeah, an error.

Ralph L

Shocking news:
obamas-book-says-he-continued-to-smoke-in-the-white-house-a-lot

Ralph L

"Why didn’t he just tell people? Obama is a hero to many people, but the 44th president and his family—good looks, regular workouts, fantastic educations, sophisticated tastes, brilliant brains—are not exactly relatable, at least not unless you too are preternaturally successful, self-disciplined, and handsome."

I may vomit.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--"being realistic will result in less pain in the long run"

"A mainstay of The Ledge that often gets incorrectly called pessimism."

Exactly.

When you're in the shit, isn't it better to know how much and act accordingly?--

I guess I really am a potted plant because no matter how many times I say this it never seems to register.
We can be fairly realistic about the present because it has occurred or is occurring. I think most here see largely the same facts and circumstances.

One can be wildly unrealistic about the future because certain things have no or almost no chance of happening [RG]. For the rest of us back here on earth we can be optimistic or pessimistic but neither one is being any more realistic about the future than the other because "real" hasn't happened yet. We might think our version of the future is more likely but when we start calling our version of the future realistic, which by implication means other reasonable people with a rational but different opinion are not just wrong but not living in the real world, it's similar rhetoric to what progs use.
Moreover when we call our version of the future realistic we are of necessity forgetting all the times in the past we were completely wrong about the future. Since every single one of has been many times before and will be many times in the future you'd think mere humility alone would prompt us to stop attaching "reality" to our predictions.

clarice

https://meaninginhistory.blogspot.com/2020/11/is-navid-keshavarz-nia-kraken.html

ANALYZES THE EXPERT AFFIDAVIT FILED BY SIDNEY

James D.

Just seeing copies of the Washingtonian on the rack at the checkout aisle of the grocery store makes me want to start building guillotines.

Captain Hate

It's registered with me, Iggy.

clarice

13TH CONGRESSIONAL FLIP--THIS ONE IN CALIFORNIA:https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/416807/

jim nj

Hey Iggy,

I won $2 in the last MegaMillions draw so I'm on a roll. It's a clear indicator that my luck is improving :)

Threadkiller

Thanks, Rocco. I will try YouTube again later, but the summary is encouraging.

Jane, I really want to know what the AC repair dude did. Even though we all know you are just shy of 29 years old, I am pretty certain the DA, on a birth certificate technicality, will see this as elder abuse.

If you need a husband to deal with this prick, my wife will understand.

Narciso

Did he replace the unit, i dont think changing the coils isnt enough.

Jane

He wanted to add some system which protects the house from something, like lightning damage. I admit he was very charming. Not as much when I cancelled. People do buy heat shit (and when I called he offered to reduce the price) but a guy here who was in the AC Biz told me not to do it.

Is it typical to charge $350 to take it out.

Jane

Very interesting Fred. Welcome!

Another Bob

“We might think our version of the future is more likely but when we start calling our version of the future realistic, which by implication means other reasonable people with a rational but different opinion are not just wrong but not living in the real world, it's similar rhetoric to what progs use.”

Strawman.

People take the same data points, make different assumptions, and come to different conclusions all the time. When “reality” plays out, we find out who was wrong, who was right, or most likely where each was right/wrong.

We each adjust our mental models and and move onto the next problem. Learning.

Doesn’t mean anyone is “not living in the real world”.

In this particular case, I’d love to be wrong and be learning from MM’s optimism (or whatever one would choose to call it).

lyle

If you want to swing by, I just opened a mag of ‘12 Spottswoode Cab, peter. Is that bribe-worthy enough? 😎

boris

Doesn’t mean anyone is “not living in the real world”

Seriously? Does the phrase "whistling past the graveyard" ring any bells. How recently were all non ledge regulars considered fooling themselves?

Neo

Pennsylvania GOP Legislature Will Seek to Reclaim Power to Appoint Electors: State Senator

Narciso


Surprise otter

https://mobile.twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1332471575505932300

Jane

Clarice,

Why don’t they give that guy the evidence?

Narciso

This is just ridiculous:


https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/11/ny22-democratic-incumbent-brindisi-reportedly-leads-challenger-tenney-by-only-13-votes/

Narciso

Ot one of the actors in roadkill nicholas rowe was young sherlock holmes many years ago.

MissMarple2

Regarding the Duesenberg video:

I grew up on the south side of Indianapolis, and to go downtown you had to drive past the original Eli Lilly plant, which had a distinct smell since they manufactured ether for anesthesia use.

Here is a story from Indiana Landmarks on the Duesenberg company, which is very interesting.

https://www.indianalandmarks.org/2018/10/duesy-story/

Because Lilly was located on the south side, a lot of their executives bought homes on this side of town. However, this was NOT the ritzy side of Indy, so they often built new homes and in one area, which was over between 135 and Indiana 37, there was a singular hill surrounded by farmland, and that got developed with custom-built homes which were quite "California" in appearance. Two of my friends lived there (both of their fathers were research scientists and eventually department heads) and I would occasionally go to their homes for overnight stays. Very different architecturally with open concept floor plans, terrazzo floors, inlaid wood paneling, etc. We called the area "Lilly Hill".

There is a section of Indiana 37 to the west of me which was a speed test track back in the 1920's. It was extremely straight and flat, although the highway has now broken that up. I can remember my dad driving on it and talking about the Duesenbergs back when I was a kid.

MissMarple2

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
1h
The restaurant business is being absolutely decimated. Congress should step up and help. Time is of the essence!

MissMarple2

President Trump posted that Guiliani would be on Greg Kelly's Newsmax Show at 7:15, but I missed it live.

Here is the clip which is almost 9 minutes long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I7LRzcJDWE

Catsmeat

MM, I remember Squanto!

Lyle, when you get your "person of the year" poll running for JOM, I want dibs on Sidney.

Got the tree up today, and had duck on leftover croissants with leftover homemade cranberry sauce. We are a fortunate nation. So far.

MissMarple2

Catsmeat,

We have the tree up but no ornaments yet. We are letting the cats get used to it for another day.. Decorating tomorrow.

Narciso

Yes sidney is a major player, but i was countering the ridiculous choices of luces lamentation.

Narciso

Then there is on the negative side neil ferguson and christopher murray of imperial college and u washington respectively.

jim nj

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/11/27/ames-ny-whiskey-bootlegger-house/

A couple in upstate New York made a surprising discovery when they started renovating their home — dozens of bottles of whiskey hidden in the walls.

They found more than 60 bottles of Old Smuggler Whiskey from the 1920s hidden in their home in Ames, outside Albany.

Narciso

How about that, jim nj.

Narciso

Young sherlock holmes was not only an origin story for the protagonists but a contrived one for moriarty as well.

Catsmeat

A spritz bottle filled with water on the ready works really well, MM, re cats who'd like to cause tree-related trouble...

MissMarple2

Catsmeat,

Since daughter has moved her computer operation into the living room due to working at home, I will have to get her set up with that operation.

The younger cat may not be dissuaded, however. She seems fascinated by water. If I don't stop her, she will dip her paws in the dish water in the kitchen! Her mother seems very meek and grateful to have been taken in, and probably won't cause too much trouble.

If that snow storm hits us next week, we will probably have some more beggars at the back door. As far as I am concerned, they can hang around on the covered patio.

Jane

How about JOM person of the year?

Don’t know about an auto museum for Jay. Sort of not his style. If I ever get to see him again, I’ll ask. He still owns his parents house in my hometown. A very modest abode.

peter

Lyle @ 8:05, yesterday I opened a bottle of Havens 2005 Bouruquot. It was a little disappointment

Jane

MM,

Is your daughter an adjuster?

Barbara

Do I understand that Barbara is nominating moi as JOM Person Of The Year? 😬

lyle,

But of course! AND as the reigning oenophile, which affirms your superior taste and judgement, I thought you would be the ideal person to monitor the tally of nominees for JOM person of the year. Or we could just use Dominion in which case either Dorsey or Zuckerberg would win. I leave that decision to you.☺

Davod

Good picture

https://www.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2020-11/225102_5_.png

Barbara

That's a pretty tepid smiley! 😁

There. That's better.

jim nj

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/11/25/liberal-reporter-reminds-progressives-of-their-2016-electoral-college-coup-against-trump-n2580686

Liberal Reporter Reminds Progressives of Their Unhinged 2016 Electoral College Plot Against Trump

MissMarple2

An old tweet someone found from 2015, worth seeing:

Smartmatic
@smartmatic

Our CEO introduces @BillGates to Smartmatic’s efforts to improve elections around the world. At the @GlblCtzn meeting

Replies (which seem to be more current):
https://twitter.com/smartmatic/status/613378731298680832
==================================
In my opinion, that CEO should be indicted for the shirt/tie combination. --MM

clarice

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/Legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm

Narciso

Yes that is ghastly is that pinate.

clarice

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/CSM/showMemoPublic.cfm
Penn House co-sponorship

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