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November 09, 2020

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President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

Let's see if our side can generate a buzz.
Expecting indictments in 3, 2, ....

Over 1,400 Californians Suspected of Voting in Nevada’s Election
Watchdog group claims 1,411 Nevada voters who later registered to vote
in California may have voted unlawfully in Nevada’s Presidential election.

Reno, Nevada. – Election Integrity Project, Nevada (EIPNv) sent a report on November 9 to Nevada’s Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske showing that 1,411 Nevada registered voters, who later registered to vote in California, nonetheless appear to have voted in the November 3 Nevada election. Based on its analysis of Nevada’s official voter registration file of November 6, 2020 and California’s voter registration file of August 18, 2020, EIPNv alleges the following:

There are 1,411 Nevada registrants who closely match a California registrant on first, middle and last name, and date of birth. Common names, which might be coincidences, are excluded.
These registrants’ California voter registration dates are later than their Nevada registration dates, indicating all 1,411 now reside in California. The California registration dates are all more than 30 days prior to the November 3 election, indicating the voters may not be lawfully eligible to vote in Nevada.
304 of the 1,411 Californians have a Nevada mailing address and/or Nevada phone number in their California voter records, further confirming their voting association with the Silver State.
Because these registrants are Active status in both states, they were likely mailed ballots by both states for the November election since both states mailed ballots to all Active registrants.
As of November 6, Nevada’s official voting histories show that these registrants voted in the Nevada election by mail or in person, despite their apparent residency in California. It is being determined whether they also voted in California.

“In this disputed presidential election, it is critical that election officials, parties and candidates investigate all possible voting violations,” said EIPNv representative Sharron Angle. “We encourage both the Nevada and California Secretaries of State to investigate and confirm our findings and disclose our findings files to all interested parties.”

EIPNv’s file can be requested from the Nevada Secretary of State. It contains only Nevada data. The filename is “EIPNv Findings Report_CA residents suspected of voting in NV 201103”

EIPNv’s parent company Election Integrity Project California, Inc. (EIPCa) has sent the California findings to California Secretary of State Alex Padilla. The file name to request is
“EIPCa Findings Report_CA residents suspected of voting in NV 201103”

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

Joking about indictments, if anyone wonders.
Both SoS are Dems.
Good to document this stuff though.

Threadkiller

Threadkiller
More Than 450,000 Ballots in Key States "Miraculously" Only Have a Mark for Biden

https://rumble.com/vaz73p-more-than-450000-ballots-in-key-states-miraculously-only-have-a-mark-for-bi.html?mref=22lbp&mc=56yab


Powell on Bartiromo‘s show

Threadkiller
‘great day for science and humanity’

Oh?

Gov. Cuomo Threatens to Stop Distribution of Coronavirus Vaccine Under Trump

https://rumble.com/vazmyj-gov.-cuomo-threatens-to-stop-distribution-of-trump-administrations-coronavi.html?mref=22lbp&mc=56yab

Yeah... great day for science and humanity...

Robin, Schadenfreude Red lipstick

Willowed dangit:

Haha! Typepad vaporized why I was thanking you. I appreciate you providing text to a link from Narciso.

I was wondering if you were speaking to me or the other Robin. ;-)

FYI, I cancelled Disney Plus yesterday when I got the email from Verizon that our freeloading days were at an end. They won't get my $7/month. The Teen hasn't found out yet and I'm pretty sure she'll be sad, but I'm not so sure that she'll be sad enough to pony up the money herself.

Robin, Schadenfreude Red lipstick

Joan,

I tried to quit fb one time, and it was fairly complicated. But, that was about five years ago, maybe it's been simplified. Or, again, I could post Benford's law over there and await termination.

Hilarious. I might try that too.

Robin, Schadenfreude Red lipstick

Kimberly Klacik
@kimKBaltimore

US House candidate, MD-7
Agreed. I beat my opponent on day of & in-person early voting, along with absentee.

However, 97k mail in ballots were found in his favor? Luckily, we raised enough money to investigate.

This would be amazing.

Threadkiller

https://redstate.com/joesquire/2020/11/09/why-trump-lost-n277045

Red State’s Kent Brockman is getting trounced in the comments. Coming to his defense is another Redstater threatening the Ban Hammer.

::eye roll::

Brockman reference: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W4jWAwUb63c

Threadkiller

:-). Robin.

jimmyk

The $BNTX $PFE experimental vaccine, called BNT162b2, must be stored and distributed at -94 degrees

That's pretty much winter in Wisconsin, no?

Threadkiller

https://www.thedailybeast.com/infamous-hoax-artist-behind-trumpworlds-new-voter-fraud-claim

I hate to suggest clicking a link to The Beast but this one is a doozy. Dennis Montgomery, Larry Klayman, and Birther Dreams are involved in “Hammer and Scorecard?”

Oh boy...

Young Lurker

Not ready to completely delete facebook because it does have some very useful features.. but I've removed the app from my mobile devices and unfriended half my contacts so that it's just people i "actually know".. and will only log in on an as-need basis when I need to find information (it's most useful for the local mom's group, which knows everything including why my power flickered a minute ago, etc). But no more idle scrolling to see the opinions of people I barely know.. including Mark Zuckerberg's

Joined Parler and added NewsMax as my go-to news tab.

clarice

https://www.theepochtimes.com/putin-wont-congratulate-winner-of-us-election-until-legal-challenges-settled_3571292.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-09-1
He joins the presidents of Brazil and Mexico


clarice

https://www.theepochtimes.com/missouri-kentucky-ags-join-lawsuit-challenging-pennsylvania-mail-in-ballot-deadline-extension_3571248.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-09-1

jimmyk

As far as "profit-taking" or selling off before the end of the year, if the Senate goes D, I'd predict a huge selloff because Biden would be able to get his 40% cap gains and 28% corporate tax rate. I know I'll be out.

jimmyk

Gov. Cuomo Threatens to Stop Distribution of Coronavirus Vaccine Under Trump

Cuomo just blatantly lies about Trump and speaks nonsensically, and Snufflopagus just laps it up. "330 million vaccinations"? "Trump denied COVID"? "There was no mobilization"?

Dave (in MA)

In a reply to me elsewhere:

    Listening to Harris' congratulatory phone call to Joe, did it strike anyone that she sounded like a baby-sitter talking to her charge? Does she work for Visiting Angels?

Threadkiller

Visiting Demons.

clarice

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/its_possible_that_2020s_election_fraud_is_way_bigger_than_we_thought.html

Rocco

Good morning,

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in for Elliot"s rally songs. My pick is Twisted Sister's "We're Not Going To Take It," a fighting song!

Stay safe Floridians.

Threadkiller

Free Republic is going to town on the Daily Beast article:

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3903823/posts

I expected 200 comments at a 25% meltdown rate.

Narciso

From the people who bought danchenkos beer chats right.

Threadkiller

I expect....

Jane

Will the market go to 30k? Has it ever been there before?

Tom Bowler

This is so like 1992 when the media refused to report good economic news while Bill Clinton was still in the midst of campaigning on "It's the economy, stupid."

This time it's the CCP/Dem virus. Just in today's news, Fauci admits in July that testing would result in large numbers of false positives. We find out today after the election.

Next we have Cuomo coming on to say distribution of vaccine announced today should be stopped because Trump.

(Thanks TK and AB for links.)

Down the road I predict two things. The media will be pulling out all the stops to promote the narrative that Joe Biden's near miraculous handing of the CCP/Dem virus saved the country from Trump's failed policies. I expect that to start very soon.

The second thing I predict is that Biden lifting the travel bans from certain Muslim countries will pave the way for a terrorist attack in the next couple of years in the U.S. The Biden administration will blame it on white supremacists. He will use that to argue for more gun controls.

The fly in Biden's ointment is the real possibility that Trump prevails, in spite of the intense media pressure demanding that Trump concede. He won't.

I cancelled my subscription to the Wall Street Journal this morning. I've been a subscriber for about 20 years, but seeing the headline this morning,"U.S. Stocks Surge on Vaccine Results, Biden Win" was way more than I can take.

I had to call customer service to cancel, where I sat on hold. "Due to heavier than normal call volumes, your wait time may be longer than usual." This may not be a good day for the WSJ.

The rep asked why. I said I no longer have faith in WSJ news coverage. I'll save myself nearly $500 per year. The rep asked if I would stay on if she cut the price in half. No thanks. Have a nice day.

Narciso


Perspective:


https://www.wsj.com/articles/venezuelas-human-capital-flight-11604867623

Narciso

Sommer is blue anon.

Jane

Trump is planning rallies! Go Trump!

https://bonginoreport.com/

Neo

"To become speaker, you have to have 218 votes on the floor," he explained. "When she went up for that vote two years ago, there were 15 Democrats who voted against her. Ten of those Democrats will be coming back to Congress. If those 10 vote against her again, she will not be speaker of the House ... because of the gains of the Republicans."

Melinda

Daniel Foster
@DanFosterType
This one’s easy. I haven’t licked a door knob in almost a year and I’m starting to forget what they even taste like.

David Burge @iowahawkblog
Replying to @iowahawkblog
If this vaccine is the real deal, what's your first move after getting it?

Me: live music clubs & dive bars for a solid month.

https://twitter.com/DanFosterType/status/1325833358669131777

Threadkiller

Chuck Schumer at NYC celebration:

"Now we take Georgia and then we change America"

https://mobile.twitter.com/StatusCoup/status/1325153416063152128

“Conservative” Biden voters must be really pleased with themselves.

Another Bob

Joan: “ I've decided I'm 'back' to watching football (as much as I despise the organization. I think if I keep watching the news, I might stroke out.”

LOL... Way ahead of you on that one. MSM news is dead to me. And I’m getting sick of cooking shows.

Melinda

ABob-

Try this one: The Chef Show | Netflix Official Site
Search domain www.netflix.com/title/81028317https://www.netflix.com/title/81028317

James D.

The second thing I predict is that Biden lifting the travel bans from certain Muslim countries will pave the way for a terrorist attack in the next couple of years in the U.S. The Biden administration will blame it on white supremacists. He will use that to argue for more gun controls.

I wonder if it has occurred to TM that, just based on his own posts and some of the ads that appear on JOM (without even taking into account the things we say in the comments), anybody that Biden would appoint as Attorney General will certainly consider TM himself (and by extension his family) a white supremacist and a domestic terror threat?f

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

A sensible approach that I wish some of our allies had taken. From AFA.net, a Christian group--

Over the past several months, AFA encouraged all Americans to be informed voters and to exercise their right to vote.

On November 3, voters turned out in record numbers. We are now in a situation where one team is standing on the podium with the trophy while the referees are still reviewing the final play that could decide the outcome of the game.

Despite multiple media outlets declaring former Vice President Joe Biden the winner of the presidential election, it is important to remember that the Constitution clearly defines that electors from each state choose the president once each state has certified its respective results. None of that has occurred. Furthermore, there is ongoing litigation in multiple states concerning the results of the election.

We believe that the judicial system should rule on these lawsuits and ensure every legal vote is counted before a winner is declared. Only then will Americans have faith that our election has taken place with integrity and fairness.

Narciso

The times had a big ad from refuse fascism, black bloc clearinghouse.

Narciso


Shirley

https://mobile.twitter.com/JimDeMint/status/1325815190038966276

Narciso


Hmm

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1325811766715150338

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Not ready to completely delete facebook because it does have some very useful features.. but I've removed the app from my mobile devices and unfriended half my contacts so that it's just people i "actually know".. and will only log in on an as-need basis when I need to find information (it's most useful for the local mom's group, which knows everything including why my power flickered a minute ago, etc). --

Never used it myself, but why not use Nextdoor since it seems focused on what you need?
It must be working since FB has tried to establish its own version.
It has the added benefit of being hated by progs as racist, which of course means its users tend to the bigoted position that being raped, mugged, carjacked, kidnapped or murdered are less than optimal occurrences for a neighborhood.

clarice

As many as 94 electoral votes in the balance:https://redstate.com/slee/2020/11/08/276821-n276821?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=719

clarice

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dead-voters-biden-van-full-of-ballots-trump-legal-team-details-shock-nevada-claim

James D.

narc @ 11:26

So several billion dollars of value is lost based on news that may or
May not pan out.

I’m not clear how the stock market as it currently functions is a net benefit to the country or the economy or to the sanity of the populace.

Threadkiller

Maybe this link?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dead-voters-biden-van-full-of-ballots-trump-legal-team-details-shock-nevada-claims

Narciso

Yes its largely a simulacrum, maybe not as comprehensive as the matrix.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Twitter has interesting standards.
You get banned if you discuss the possibility of election fraud.
But it headlines two stories on "President-elect" Biden.
Large social media are the internet and wireless arm of the State's house organs of propaganda.

And can we stop saying the "Deep State?" Deep implies it is somehow or in some way hidden. It's right out in the open and it is THE State. Tiny portions of it are not our enemy but the vast majority of it is. And because leftism is totalitarian, always has been always will be, prog NGOs, the various media, the academy, Hollywood, etc, are all slowly being absorbed as manifestations of that State.

clarice

VDH!!!
https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/08/the-nevertrump-never-again/

Tom Bowler

JimSunny,

We believe that the judicial system should rule on these lawsuits and ensure every legal vote is counted before a winner is declared. Only then will Americans have faith that our election has taken place with integrity and fairness.

I'd say, multiple media outlets that have declared Biden the winner, have done it to stoke the violence if Trump prevails in recounts, in court, and manages to remain in office. The riots and looting will resume. It looks suspiciously as if somebody put out the word to cooperating media outlets to declare Joe the winner rather than wait for election certification.

Captain Hate

She was probably in the middle of a Bathtub Boy/Torricelli sandwich when coming up with this gem

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8924233/Fox-News-host-Laura-Ingraham-says-Donald-Trump-accept-defeat-grace-composure.html

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

YLs 10:37 is sensible.

However, for anyone who DOES want to permanently get off Facebook, it is straightforward. I did it over a year ago so my memory of details is dim other than "it was easy" and "you can get a ZIP file of your photos" but the photos are low resolution copies and not that good.

Here is what a web search showed up. You can read and decide.

just the steps:
Go to Facebook's deletion page.
Click Delete My Account.
Enter your password again.
Type in the captcha code.
Click OK.
Click OK to delete your account.

three links. hopefully they all agree!
https://www.facebook.com/help/224562897555674/
https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/how-to-delete-facebook-account-2950145
https://www.wikihow.com/Permanently-Delete-a-Facebook-Account

Captain Hate

@jaketapper

I truly sympathize with those dealing with losing -- it's not easy -- but at a certain point one has to think not only about what's best for the nation (peaceful transfer of power) but how any future employers might see your character defined during adversity. . .

Speaking of sellouts, has Dennis Miller ever renounced having this creep on his boring radio show?

Narciso

Anything pro american is effectively white supremacist, so is anticommunist.

Jack is Back!

The only problem with arguing Benford's law is judges and election commissions are not mathematically inclined to the degree of statistical anomalies:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/mathematical_impossibilities_may_be_what_trips_up_democrat_plans.html

But you run it as an algorithm and demonstrate improbable versus probable results.

Captain Hate

According to the Horde Ben Carson has Covid.

clarice

https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2020/11/09/insanity-wrap-83-suppose-they-stole-an-election-and-nobody-noticed-n1129870

Threadkiller

I notice that the Daily Mail link doesn’t have the actual video of Ingraham’s comments. Reading what they quote gives me the impression that she wasn’t saying give up the fight. She was just doing the pundit advice line crap should the loss be insurmountable.

IMO, if Trump’s team doesn’t unload a 100ton block of actual evidence on the media’s collective head today by 5pm EST, then I will assume they don’t have the goods to change the results but probably have enough to bargain for a semi safe landing for Trump, his family, and his administration.

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

Rally song suggestions:
Stand My Ground, Tom Petty
You can stand me up at the gates of hell
But I won't back down
No, I'll stand my ground

Narciso

All good choices,

So rick bright novanax recipient of gates foundation grant is on the task forces

Narciso

You cant bargain with them, tk anymore than you can bargain with terminators.

Threadkiller

Going to the State Department’s own website, we can see back in 2004 that our government was monitoring the Ukrainian elections and, after witnessing events that took place there, qualified the election as “rigged.” Why? Because Ukraine experienced a wave of oddities that mirror exactly what happened during the 2020 election here in America. Rion highlights the relevant part with a screenshot...

https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/11/09/2020-rigged-n277187

Dave (in MA)
    And can we stop saying the "Deep State?" Deep implies it is somehow or in some way hidden. It's right out in the open and it is THE State.
And yet more than half of the people deny that it exists.
Narciso

Does 'power to the people'mean anything anymore.

Threadkiller

You cant bargain with them, tk anymore than you can bargain with terminators.

Death or Bunda.

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

Tom B: "I said I no longer have faith in WSJ news coverage."

It's well known that although the WSJ Editorial Page used to be conservative, the news writing was, if anything, more left than most.
I think the single worst article I've ever read in a paper was in the WSJ during the Bush initiative on Social Security so that individuals could direct the investments for their pay-in to the system.
The WSJ reporter argued with a straight face, in the investing newspaper WSJ, that people are not competent to invest their own money. Which was why the gov't needed to do it for them.

Neo

Commenter1:

Covid is so over. Hundreds of thousands (my guess) came out to protest/celebrate the election. No prophylactic masks in sight. No chiding about super spreader events, no chastising attendees about their selfish, irresponsible behavior killing grandma, etc.

Commenter2:

I was blocked by Facebook when making that observation in a very civil manner.

Similarly yesterday when an article was posted about a favorable US employment rate, Facebook added a WARNING . When I simply asked why a plain economic report warranted a label, I was blocked again.

Narciso

Interesting so the orange revolution was really bluen

Narciso

Was dennis montgomery less wrong than crowdstrike but one is considered sterling.

clarice

Because misogynists:https://nypost.com/2020/11/08/republican-women-have-unprecedented-wave-of-victories-in-house/

Jane

Jib,

Watched a Trump bio last night. Apparently Palm Beach was very very hostile to Trump. Has that changed?

Narciso

He was like an andrew jackson figure or al czervik if you will

jimmyk

But you run it as an algorithm and demonstrate improbable versus probable results.

Yeah, statistical anomalies (like the dog that didn't bark) are only useful for telling you where to look for the crime and real evidence, not to prove anything.

It still seems to me that Trump should not have to prove that cheating changed the outcome. Proof of it should be enough to penalize the cheaters, and at least throw the EV decisions to the state legislatures.

Outright fraud aside, higher courts could and should rule that election rules were changed illegally, since it was done by bureaucrats and judges, not by legislation.

Captain Hate

I notice that the Daily Mail link doesn’t have the actual video of Ingraham’s comments. Reading what they quote gives me the impression that she wasn’t saying give up the fight. She was just doing the pundit advice line crap should the loss be insurmountable.

Then she needs to get out and clarify that because the way I got to that is from the Gab News link from the last thread where they were blasting all things Fox. Laura's willingness to literally sleep with the enemy as long as they're famous has been a big red flag with me.

Threadkiller

https://redstate.com/bradslager/2020/11/09/277268-n277268

Redstate genius just realized that Tapper hates him.

Captain Hate

Yeah, statistical anomalies (like the dog that didn't bark) are only useful for telling you where to look for the crime and real evidence, not to prove anything.

Like disparate impact cases?

Narciso

Welcome to the party, brad, have a beer.

clarice

https://the-pipeline.org/a-la-lanterne/ Must read.

Narciso

When you start here, youre already lost


There was a time when Jake Tapper was actually highly regarded. The CNN fixture managed to earn praise from all sides by displaying a willingness to be bi-partisan. While maybe not completely even-handed in all his reports he was at least willing to call out and be critical of figures on the left. It speaks volumes to his network’s bias that Tapper could stand out by simply being objective.

Threadkiller

Laura's willingness to literally sleep with the enemy as long as they're famous has been a big red flag with me.

I can’t argue with you there, CH.

Kimberly Guilfoyle was shagging Newsom while working in the same office where Harris was humping Horton.

That trainwreck is somehow involved in this fraud.

jimmyk

Never used it myself, but why not use Nextdoor since it seems focused on what you need?

The problem with dropping FB is that alternatives only work if enough other people jump too. I hate FB, not just the politics but the crap software itself. But I belong to a few relatively apolitical FB groups, and connect with some friends and relatives on it.

I wish it were possible for some alternative site that could somehow mirror parts of FB. For example, it could join a FB group and mirror the content to its own site. Of course FB would shut it down in a nanosecond. But an antitrust court could require that they allow it. A bit like what happened when Ma Bell was broken up.

jimmyk

where Harris was humping Horton.

Horton? Is this a new story or did you mean Brown?

Threadkiller

https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle

Her Twitter feed doesn’t reflect the Daily Mail’s take. She shouldn’t have to waste her time defending herself to some journalist that snips quotes. She didn’t invite his misrepresentations.

Threadkiller

Brown. Oops.

Dave (in MA)

https://twitter.com/OnlyInBOS/status/1325838252989952001

clarice

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/412793/
Dr death to advise Biden on health matters.

Threadkiller

Limbaugh is fighting mad. He wants an accountability Czar!

He thinks Trump’s team doesn’t have a single leader that can explain the actual election violations to the masses. I agree.

Dave (in MA)

You've seen one Willie, you've seen them all.

Threadkiller

Haha!

Narciso

Thats a twilight zone twist, the beta test was nyc of course.

Captain Hate

God works in mysterious ways. My idiot Biden supporting white trash neighbors suffered a high colonic today. The scarecrow wife has been involved in a months (yes plural) long project of stripping and painting their ancient wooden storm windows that even under the best circumstances will still be as drafty as screens. This should have been a week long project at most but she's as slow as cold molasses down a frozen pipe. She's set up wooden step ladders in their garage so their piece of shit cars have been in the driveway but for some reason set up the ladders in the driveway and had the windows propped up on them overnight. They were fine when I took Teddy to be clipped but between then and now something knocked them over and broke the glass in every fucking one of them.

Idiots.

Tom Bowler

JimSunny,

The WSJ reporter argued with a straight face, in the investing newspaper WSJ, that people are not competent to invest their own money.

How very left wing. Very much like the Democrats' argument against charter schools and school choice: Parents are can't be trusted to pick the right schools for their children.

jimmyk

Like disparate impact cases?

Good point. IANAL but my impression is that's limited to labor law. You can't, for example, accuse someone of insider trading simply because they made a ridiculous amount of money in the stock market. They have to find a smoking gun.

The closest thing I can think of is DNA testing, blood typing, fingerprinting, etc. They come up with probabilities that it was the accused, and that argument seems to be allowed. But that doesn't work with voting patterns, as there's no way to establish objective probabilities.

henry

There are no adults. Merely subjects.

Captain Hate

Her Twitter feed doesn’t reflect the Daily Mail’s take. She shouldn’t have to waste her time defending herself to some journalist that snips quotes. She didn’t invite his misrepresentations.

I feel bad for being tooled by Gab and particularly the Daily Mail. Those assholes owe her a correction.

Threadkiller

My idiot Biden supporting white trash neighbors suffered a high colonic today.

LOL!!

Jane

TK,

I thought Limbaugh was out today for treatment.

Davod

Maybe Trump was on the golf course planning operations away from prying ears.

Marlene

Ha. I HUGE turtle just walked behind the lanai and Scout is going nuts. I expect to see lots of creatures this week during the deluge.

Threadkiller

He is out Tuesday on, Jane.

Marlene

* a HUGE turtle*

Jack is Back!

Jane, Leatherback or Loggerhead? Are you close to the gulf? We usually clean out our nests in April-May. We aren't even allowed to turn on our outside lights.

Jack is Back!

Sorry, Jane s/b Marlene....

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