From "See You In Court" To "See You Later, Alligator"

Team Trump had a tough day Friday.

Donald Trump’s brutal day in court

Several of the most devastating opinions, both Friday and in recent weeks, have come from conservative judges and, in some federal cases, Trump appointees.

President Donald Trump and his legal allies earned a platinum sombrero Friday, striking out five times in a matter of hours in states pivotal to the president’s push to overturn the election results — and losing a sixth in Minnesota for good measure.

It was another harsh milestone in a monthlong run of legal futility, accompanied by sharp rebukes from county, state and federal judges who continue to express shock at the Trump team’s effort to simply scrap the results of an election he lost. Several of the most devastating opinions, both Friday and in recent weeks, have come from conservative judges and, in some federal cases, Trump appointees.

I get that plenty of conservative judges, even Trump appointees, rose through the system with the support of the Republican Establishment and probably are not Trump loyalists. But law is law - partisanship notwithstanding, at some point, if even maybe-allies aren't taking your side, that may be a clue to take a hint.

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[sbwaters]

New! ... Oh, wait a minute. First!

[sbwaters]

... or it may be a clue that law is no longer an issue.

A republic, if you could have kept it.

[Narciso]

Willowed

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/12/the-week-in-pictures-monolith-mystery-edition.php

[sbwaters]

People need to read up on Machiavelli.

What this country had for a time lifted us just slightly above the law of the jungle he operated in.

[Narciso]

Brashler okd the steal five weeks ago, by refusing to order paper backups.

[MissMarple2]

sbwaters,

This is a good explanation. I wish I had reviewed more of it earlier in my life. I hope that the President has.

[Captain Hate]

Another obtuse post. It's like the Duke Lacrosse case never happened.

[CCGirl]

I think I pasted last on the old thread. Typical.

JimSC 3:33. Whoops! I know that but was just typing away. A bit embarrassing as Austen is one of my favs, and here I was boasting about my family. Duh! (History major here 🙄)

[Narciso]

Or scooter libby or arthur andersen,

[Captain Hate]

Anyone surprised by this?

Kellyanne Conway just said Biden will win, and is
now pledging to work them "If there's anything I can ever do to help...
they can count on me."

Posted by: bat nationalist at December 05, 2020 09:51 AM (R1LMN)

Fuck her sideways. I knew she was not loyal when she put up with her hubby's shit with nary a word back.
Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 09:53 AM (946rW)

I took some shit here for pointing out she was way too look-at-me like her fat slob husband when almost everyone else was defending dear sweet Kellyanne. But even I'm surprised by such a rapid heel turn.

[CCGirl]

Or “posted”. Austin, Austen, pasted, posted, let’s call the whole thing off!

I feel a bit optimistic this am that this is far from over. I know zippo about details of how the cases make their way from here. Also are their any judges or public officials with any stones out there? Just surrender the whole country to the commies so you can keep going to cocktail parties. 🤯

So maybe it’s an angry optimism. Raining and windy, and dark. Maybe I should just go back to bed.

[hrtshpdbox]

But even I'm surprised by such a rapid heel turn.

You were right about her. It's depressing to observe some supposed Trump loyalists, like Conway, display their true colors.

[James D.]

TM can go to hell with his constant attacks on the President and his cheerleading for the theft of an election.

If things go the way he wants, I hope he and his family get it good and hard from the Democrats he wants in power.

[Old Lurker]

SBW "People need to read up on Machiavelli. What this country had for a time lifted us just slightly above the law of the jungle he operated in."

To which I say our elevation could last only as long as the Founding Principles that made us special, maintained by good people of faith, can be maintained.

For those who insist on thinking this is merely the same old same old swing of the political pendulum, and that in two years or four years we can yank it back, I call your attention to the AT linked below, and especially to the last two paragraphs which explains where ephemeral "just politics" encounters the brick wall that is the Debt that was accumulated while the ball was on the bad side, and the lasting implications for the good side should the ball return that way. And that is just the plain fact of dollars and cents that are not dismissable. Losing the voluntary compliance to the Rules of the Land because that is the compact we made with each other, once lost, is toothpaste out of its tube leading us back to Machiavelli's environment for "a long time". Losing the willingness of successful citizens to freely pay to support millions of people who do not deserve their life's work, and who in fact hate the successful for it, is like virginity once lost.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/12/the_supreme_court_and_the_electoral_coup.html

[James D.]

You were right about her. It's depressing to observe some supposed Trump loyalists, like Conway, display their true colors.

Other than Trump himself and maybe a handful of his people and possibly a couple of dozen Reps and maybe half a dozen Senators, there is nobody in DC or in most of the state capitols on our side.

Everyone else is either stealing from us or trying to punch us in the mouth. I hate all of them.

[hrtshpdbox]

Reposting a link that Melinda put on the last thread. Outlines an intriguing possibility that leans more in the "See You in Court" direction than the "Later Alligator" one.

https://noqreport.com/2020/12/04/did-justice-alito-set-a-safe-harbor-trap-by-setting-pennsylvania-response-deadline-a-day-after/

[Old Lurker]

Kellyanne's flip is precisely why Trump was not able to accomplish MAGA.

Even his supporters never really believed the dream and were just hedging their bets thinking themselves clever.

I am reminded of George HW Bush, VooDoo Economics, Read My Lips No New Taxes...and then concrete breaking around my feet.

If they believe(d) in anything at all, it is(was) not what you and I believe.

[Captain Hate]

BTW, I am totally stealing Branch Covidians:-)

Posted by: redbanzai the Southerner at December 05, 2020 10:22 AM (946rW)

Second! The religion of The Mask.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'killin ain't hrd. It's not killin thets hrd' at December 05, 2020 10:25 AM (WekKK)

[Old Lurker]

Wrong word "supporters"...we do believe. Should have said "Management Team".

[Buckeye]

I am beginning to think going “all cash” might not be such a bad idea.

Am I missing something?

(I was going to say “Am I crazy?, but this can be a tough crowd:))

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--But law is law - partisanship notwithstanding, at some point, if even maybe-allies aren't taking your side, that may be a clue to take a hint.--

Hard to imagine a better example of how progs have gotten where they are and conservatives and mushy moderates where they are.
A prog NEVER takes a hint and keeps at it until the law is a law, is a law, well whaddya know, is a prog law.
And they browbeat "your allies" until they are their allies.
And they know completion is nine tenths of breaking the law. Cheat, cover up what you can and say "prove it" about what you couldn't.
Proving it is messy, time consuming, confrontational and unpleasant' all of which are anathema to the go along to get along, people pleasing mushy middle.

The example of Nixon meekly folding his tent and the equally guilty Clinton fighting and being let off the hook by the Senate in many ways set the stage for where we are now.
But a word to the not so wise; going along to get along condemns us or our children or perhaps their children to picking up the empty can we kick down the road and either having to eat it in an attempt to survive or fill it with concrete and kill someone with it.

The moral cowardice of the vast mush in the middle that entertains the absurd conceit that the left and right are equally at fault and equally dangerous and equally committed to liberty deprives all of us of a peaceful resolution of the corner the left is painting the entire country into. Does anyone truly think the falling and still accelerating elevator of prog demands and radicalism we have been locked inside of ever since at least Clinton is going to magically decelerate and let us out safely on the ground floor rather than splat in the basement?

[boris]

Via insty ...

Common sense, longstanding predictable voting behavior patterns in many specific jurisdictions, big data statistical pattern analysis and forensic analysis of Dominion Voting Systems machines and software, and polling place wrongdoings in the contested states don’t just reveal garden variety voting irregularities, but rather overwhelming massive voter and polling place fraud.

The Supreme Court and the Electoral Coup

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Willowing this excellent comment JiB C&Ped last thread;
An email to Sarah Hoyt:

"#1 Let’s see. China was losing the economic war with Trump and maybe facing Civil War. The Democrats lost the impeachment Then: In October China bought %75 of the questionable voting machine company. So this was just before the election and after the virus they unleashed on the world and the Antifa/BLM they funded through proxies in the USA. Even the purchase was sort of proxy. They own %75 of a UBS Asian arm that is still based in Switzerland. That’s the “proxy” that bought the voting machine company. The original CEO, a Canadian national fled his US court summons and was last seen, briefly, in Singapore before vanishing. The purchase just appeared in the published SEC filings. It was not available, even to Trump, before the election. Well played war by China. China as the source nation of Sun Tzu obviously follows his thoughts."

[Old Lurker]

Everybody has to judge their own appetite for risk/reward Buckeye.

I count myself in the chicken crowd since I am now too old to rebuild what I have should it all vanish. That is, of course, much different than I thought when I was 30, 40, 50 and even 60. Typical "cycle of life" that financial planners and economists have observed forever.

The Dow was about 16,000 when Trump came down the escalator, and since it changes because of hopes, dreams, and fears, 30,000 embodies a whole lot of hopes and dreams. And a whole boatload of ZIRP and fiat money. Thank the Fed and other central banks for that mess.

My POV, angering many, is that very little of what Trump accomplished will remain a few quarters into a Harris-Biden-Obama administration, so, based on those financial realities in the AT I linked above, we actually cannot even (rationally) return to Status Quo Ante if Trump rides back up that escalator.

[Narciso]

Well she doesnt want to be veronica cartwright when sutherland shreaks but jabba conway will nonetheless.

[MissMarple2]

I am busying myself with projects until this evening. I already know what it's like to live under a Biden-Harris administration since my ex-husband sort of operated like Kamala.

Off to get work done!

[Old Lurker]

For example and in actual round numbers.

When I was 30, my wife and I had personally guaranteed perhaps $5 million in bank loans. When I was forty, the number had just passed $100 million. At fifty, it topped out just under $150 million. By 70, it was zero because I had zero debt remaining.

I was VERY productive for the economy in my 30's and 40's. Not at all in my 70's...

My even older business partner from that entire time and I comment often that the rules have changed so much that what we accomplished back then in real estate & construction simply could not be done by our children or grandchildren today.

[Jim Eagle]

OL,

One of guys who founded Home Depot has said that he and his partners could never pull that off today in our current political economy.

I don't think he is pessimistic enough.

[Narciso]

Oh this is unsurprising

https://mobile.twitter.com/schaumby/status/1329116462326435840

[Old Lurker]

The point of all that, of course, is to illustrate how two simple nameless, faceless (then and now), citizens toiling in Milton Friedman's "Pencil Industry" were able to do well for themselves but who lifted one hell of a lot of other boats in the process. Change those rules and you sacrifice the tide.

[Captain Hate]

Someone has to explain something for me. I keep reading that some twat ambulance chaser in the SDNY plans on arresting DJT as soon as he leaves office. Assuming this is true, and it's been repeated multiple times, how is that a proper function of a government employee and not a rogue agency abusing its reason for existence? Doesn't that office ultimately report to Barr and, by org chart extension, DJT and can't the AG say cut the crap now?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I will disagree with the last sentence of that 10:49 comment;
The most important lesson I remember from Sun Tzu was always leave your enemy a route of retreat. Otherwise they will fight to the death. Remember if he existed at all Sun Tzu was not a Mongol and the Mongols did not follow this advice. Their empire lasted maybe a hundred years before it began to shrink and was in relatively short order gobbled up and Mongolia is now either an independent depressed backwater or a dominated province of China.

Marx is in many ways the philosophical descendant of the Khans. In communist China and the progressive/Marxist left of the West they also close off all escape routes for their enemies; in the case of the Chicoms in a most un-Sun way. China survives because Sun Tzu has guided its culture in many ways, not just its military philosophy. Those who leave their opponents no retreat often succeed for a time. But once their enemies realize there is no escape and the war is existential, it is invariably the tyrants who are destroyed because their enemies, the rest of humanity, vastly outnumber and outweigh them.
China is well along the path of learning 1.5 billion < 6 billion. Once they have learned that lesson then the Chicoms will learn that internally one hundred million communists < 1.4 billion pissed off non comms.
In the west we are at the very earliest stages of where it finally starts to don on the prols that their prog benefactors are getting rich playin footsy with the top dog bourgeoisie and the mid level bourgeoisie is starting to figure out nobody set them a place at the banquet hall either. Once that vast middle coalesces and figures out crumbs are their lot and they're expected to like it the < sign finally comes into play.

[Old Lurker]

Jack...and the HD guy, like my partner and I, did it when banks charged 4% over a 20% Prime Rate for using their money.

[Old Lurker]

Cap'n "...by org chart extension, DJT..."

Joke, right?

[James D.]

OL @ 10:49

I'm angry because I agree 100% with your POV.

This country is absolutely effed if the theft is allowed to stand. And it angers me even more that intelligent people who ought to goddamn know better (like our host, but he's far, far from alone) not only refuse to see it but mock those of us who do.

[Captain Hate]

No it's not a joke. I want some goddamn answers from shitheads like Andy McCarthy, for example, to explain why planning insurrection is part of his former employer's job.

[hrtshpdbox]

I count myself in the chicken crowd since I am now too old to rebuild what I have should it all vanish.

Too chicken for stocks, or too chicken for cash? The old saw was that stocks protected against inflation; imagine if there ever was some.

[henry]

You have to trust banks to go all cash.

[MissMarple2]

Taking a break:

illDiscourse
Mate
@illdiscourse
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2m
Isn’t it interesting how often the “official narrative“ ends up being bullshit and how often the “conspiracy theory“ ends up being the truth?

[MissMarple2]

The moment @RudyGiuliani went #thuglife on Democrat Rep Camilleri at the #MichiganHearings pic.twitter.com/2E7BbUwF2J

— Steven Crowder (@scrowder) December 3, 2020

Video, 53-seconds at the link. Well worth it!

[MissMarple2]

How is it this plot was conceived decades ago and now everyone is acting like it's a hare-brained scheme? Video clip of "The Minsters" at the link:

Even #TheMunsters rigged the voting machines 🗳. #ElectionIntegrity #StopTheSteal @realDonaldTrump pic.twitter.com/7i4qIJdTnV

— DeplorableArmyBrat (@yogagenie) December 5, 2020

[MissMarple2]

Now, back to work!

[James D.]

CH @ 11:10

I absolutely believe it.

And I believe half the country will cheer, and another quarter will shrug their shoulders and say that maybe if he hadn’t been so rude and crude it would t have happened.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I woke up this morning thinking about something obvious that probably most others have already figured out, but stating the obvious is kind of why I get out of bed in the morning after thinking about the obvious.
It goes to why the large majority of tyrants don't succeed for any length of time.
As I've noted many times ideologues are irrational. That is frustrating for the rest of us because they are impervious to reason. But that irrationality is only at best a part of why they fail. A more fundamental reason is because that irrationality is birthed by and in turn gives birth to a profound dishonesty. At bottom they have a dishonest view of human nature and consequently a dishonest view of what can be accomplished and how to accomplish it. A lot of this dishonesty is probably not conscious and some is not even intentional. What is conscious and intentional is easily justified by the great dishonest project they're embarked upon.
This dishonesty is where the ideologue overlaps the mentally and personality disordered. They share a common misperception of reality that induces a level of dishonesty and denial that ordinary people can't fathom.
But it's also their fatal flaw.
As a kid I remember watching the great documentary The World at War. One of the things that amazed me was the Battle of Britain. The Nazis, by attacking Britain's airfields and aerial defenses were on the brink of victory and total air superiority. But Hitler or Goering or both decided to shift their bombing to British cities to demoralize the population. But instead of demoralization the bombing of the cities produced a burning rage and a far greater ferocity to fight back in the beleaguered Brits. And it also afforded the RAF the opportunity to rebuild and eventually defeat the krauts in the air. A similar defiance was observed in the German and Japanese populations as the allies laid waste their cities. A large portion of the Japanese people and most of the military were determined to fight to the last man even after the A-bombs. It was only a few wiser heads at the top who prevailed and surrendered.
Similarly Theodore Dalrymple is correct that the purpose of propaganda is in essence to make the population eat the state's shit and pretend to like it. But that purpose is not fulfilled or only on the surface at best. Instead it breeds a simmering and profoundly deep rage just under the surface and delegitimizes not the targets of the propaganda but the state producing it.

And so to complete the circle, it is not prog irrationality that really grates, it's their lies. In the eternal tug of war between the children of Cain the taker and Abel the maker, Abel's child merely wants to be left alone and Cain may be as irrational as he pleases so long as he is irrational over there someplace. But the child of Cain cannot leave his brother alone because, hello, he's a taker and there's nothing to take over there someplace. And so Abel's kid lets Cain Junior take a little and then a little more and then a little more. But eventually Abel is working for Cain and Cain tells him that's how it's supposed to be and he better learn to like it and he Cain thought it all up in the first place anyway and Abel just stole his idea and it is Abel's natural place to keep his brother involuntarily.
And it is that fundamental lie that the takers always use to justify their irrational greed that produces all the strife. Because instead of being demoralized by Cain's lying theft Abel is eventually angered to the point he revolts.
In the original God let's Cain kill Abel, IMO, to let the Abels of the world know what the stakes are and what the Cains of the world will do to steal their brother's life's work and life. But later, including now, there are always millions of Abels who witness what Cain has done and the great lie he does it under and after years of torment the Abels finally rise up and throw Cain off their collective back. And they go back to minding their own business until the next Cain comes along with his lies and schemes to take what is not his, including Abel's life and the whole cycle starts all over again.

It's no coincidence that Satan, Cain's spiritual father, is known as the The Father of Lies and the Accuser of the Brethren. Nor is it a coincidence that his Enemy, the spiritual Father of Abel, is called The Truth.
It was not the irrationality of Satan challenging God that harms man. It's our listening to the lies he whispers in our ears to follow him and use his ways against our fellow man that causes strife, theft, murder and war.

[Momto2]

More knitting news! Who knew knitting could become so political. And this makes me so sad because I have purchased a lot from Etsy over the years. They give small businesses and crafters a place to sell and it gives customers a spot to find unique items that are not from Amazon.

While Etsy is banning MAGA-supporting hats, many items dedicated to the violent, extremist “Antifa” movement are available for purchase through the platform. These include a button featuring a spiked, bloody baseball bat featuring the slogan “bash the fash.”

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/12/03/etsy-bans-maga-knitter-for-harmful-misinformation/

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

The Battle of Britain is also a good corollary in another way. Between the Phony War and Dunkirk, where the Germans essentially allowed them to escape and the initial fazes of the Battle of Britain the population of the UK knew they were in dire straits and war was imminent, but it was being fought by just a few of them directly and they could entertain the conceit maybe this Hitler creep would stick to the continent. But with the Blitz that conceit disappeared as their own lives were at direct risk along with their children and grandparents and everything about Britain they loved.

Similarly in the phase where progs and would-be tyrants in general are promising the moon and the stars to the dopey Abels just trying to get by, people can pretend that maybe things won't be so bad. They can keep their regular little life and maybe pick up a few scraps and crumbs the progs promise.
But then when their crumbs get outsourced and they go from GM to Burger King, if not the dole, while the people's progs are dining out in DC and Napa and the ranks of the financialized billionaire bottom feeders are feasting at the top of the food chain and all those elevated punks start ordering Abel around, the conceit of what the prog project really means is a luxury they can no longer afford.
The discrepancy between what the tyrant grifters always promise and actually deliver is that great lie that always produces counter-revolutions.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Etsy is asshoe.

[hrtshpdbox]

For any of you who occasionally wonder if there's something to watch on television (meaning, you're not too busy for that, and you do flick through the stations sometimes), I think these youtube channels are terrific. The first is a guy named Tom McElroy, who does wilderness survival excursions and makes them look so easy (he does EVERYTHING and all with just a pocket knife - while barefoot):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cPdoqjgwfk

The second is a fellow named Shawn James up in Canada who makes off-grid living look so peaceful and rewarding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxM9FYSs8V4

These videos have millions of views, so some of you may know about them. I have almost none of these skills and find this stuff so fascinating.

[cathyf]

hrt— just to yank your chain— you forgot to comment on the irony of “off the grid” being ON YouTube!

[CCGirl]

Momto - The Deplorable Knitter has been taking it on the chin for years. The left ruins everything, from politics, to crafts, to shopping. Etsy, one more place to boycott. It’s to the point that I research the places where I shop - if the business is politically correct then no business from me. Everything is difficult these days. 🤯

Son finished up school and now has decided to purge his room. He’s like a bull in a china shop! Husband looked at me and said, “It’s twelve o’clock somewhere!” No kidding.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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21m
I will easily & quickly win Georgia if Governor @BrianKempGA or the Secretary of State permit a simple signature verification. Has not been done and will show large scale discrepancies. Why are these two “Republicans” saying no? If we win Georgia, everything else falls in place!

[Buckeye]

I count myself in the chicken crowd since I am now too old to rebuild what I have should it all vanish.

While I am a bit younger, I share that sentiment OL.

[hrtshpdbox]

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Your infamy is secured, in my book.

[Captain Hate]

Having watched some new season CBS shows, the BLM bullshit is permeating them. I'd hate to give up watching some of them but they'd better stop insulting me very quickly.

[hrtshpdbox]

cathy f, good point, lol.

[Narciso]

Yes seal team and macgyer didnt seem to reflect that

https://mobile.twitter.com/ppv_tahoe/status/1335237482766589953

[Narciso]

The last sort of ripoffed john wicks continental for its premiere.

[Buckeye]

You have to trust banks to go all cash.

Roger that henry, and I don’t trust anybody. Part of the dilemma.

[Captain Hate]

The Unicorn was probably the worst but Blue Bloods having Whoopie on wasn't intelligent casting. Plus something about last night's episode just seemed off.

[Narciso]

Yes they are predatory

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_717.cfm

[Narciso]

I saw they were going for a teachable moment and switched back to fast and furious.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QGG9xoIABzQ

[Captain Hate]

The Horde is the best at addressing the real problems

It's nothing of the kind. Marx, who knew precisely squat about science, called it "scientific socialism" to distinguish his ravings from what he called "utopian socialism," i.e., the shit that had been tried and had failed dismally heretofore. He appended "scientific" because science was in full blossom at the time (mid- to late-19th century), so he was arrogating to his nonsense some of the aura of science. Kinda like Reds do today ("believe the science!").
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 05, 2020 12:23 PM (tW3KO)

Marx has more in common with L. Ron Hubbard than any actual scientist. Fuck, Bill Nye is like Archimedes next to Marx.
Posted by: clutch cargo Now 100% Lubricant Free at December 05, 2020 12:29 PM (L8ADy)

Marx was notorious for having an extremely casual attitude towards personal hygiene. Meaning, he reeked of BO. At the same time, he suffered greatly from various skin diseases and painful rashes. The great sciencey guy never put two and two together.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 05, 2020 12:34 PM (EGyGV)

[CCGirl]

Buckeye and CH, the messaging is everywhere. I have no idea what to do. I say we plug in the basement freezer and load up. Hubs says we should start withdrawing cash. But instead we make a drink and he turns on the tube. Then the stuff CH is talking about hits one straight on. It’s all too much. I’m just going to put my faith in God. Otherwise I am completely confused. And I’m not a great Catholic.

[MissMarple2]

See you tonight at 7PM, Georgia! pic.twitter.com/gMYtLGGqzI

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 5, 2020

Short video clip of crowd in line at the link.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

And now for something completely...fun;
Loading a shotgun with a 50bmg, will it work?

FTR a 50 has about 4 times the chamber pressure of a 12 gauge and nearly triple its typical proof test.
Presumably the only reason the shotgun remains intact is chamber pressures are well within 12 gauge specs because most of the pressure is blowing around the bullet down the barrel. Also explains why the round does so little damage.

[MissMarple2]

UPDATE ON MY SON:

Spoke to him just now on the phone. He is now allowed to sit up. He MAY get released tomorrow!! Spinal cord seems bruised but no permanent damage requiring surgery. He will be in a neck brace and require physical and occupational therapy.

Miraculous survival, thanks be to God.

Now I am going back to sorting and pitching.

[Narciso]

Its distressing than anomamomz correspondent has been intimidated into ignoring tbe obligations of believers.

[Barbara]

TM is a perfect example of the anti-American left. I believe that he is intelligent enough to comprehend the massive criminality of the democrats who have committed massive fraud in this election, and yet he's perfectly contented to make this convoluted statement, "…law is law - partisanship notwithstanding, at some point, if even maybe-allies aren't taking your side, that may be a clue to take a hint."

Was the law applied when rioters burned down businesses in a frenzy of criminal activity over this past year? Were the level scales of the law visible when a husband and wife armed themselves against a roving band of violent criminals when they broke into their gated community and threatened their lives? Was the law on the side of the victim in Wisconsin when he used lethal force to save his and others lives from a violent mob? Was the law evident anywhere in that ballot processing room in Georgia late at night as those election workers after throwing out the observers and the media proceeded to enter thousands of illegal ballots into the system?

TM knows the answers to those and hundreds of other questions. This is not some dispute in a football game about whether the receiver was in bounds when he caught a pass. The massive illegality in this election is obvious to everyone including TM. I have yet to read one word of his that explains or justifies the actions of the democrats as they committed election fraud in state after state, the governors who refuse to take appropriate action or the courts who dance on the head of a pin to look the other way. TM and all of them should study history to see what will follow. It's not going to be pretty and all the sophistry of the left and weak willed judges can't prevent it from happening.

[Narciso]

Good news miss marple.

[Jane]

Could you guys please stop insulting our host. It’s so offensive.. if you can’t stop yourselves, substitute Hillary’s name. Thanks.

[Narciso]

I dont have to read any more history, it happened to my family, as trotsky put it 'we werent interesting in politics, but politics was interested in us. They took our plot of land, dammed it up, for reasons. Took my fathers furmiture store.

[lyle]

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2020/12/05/once-prestigious-rhodes-scholarship-reduced-to-woke-joke-one-look-at-class-of-2021-tells-you-all-you-need-to-know-n289711

Don’t bother clicking.

[MissMarple2]

Philip Rucker
@PhilipRucker
· 4h
The Washington Post surveyed all 249 Republicans in the House and Senate. Only 25 would acknowledge that Joe Biden is president-elect. https://washingtonpost.com/politics/surve
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

25, wow! I am surprised there are so many. We have just begun to fight. Please send me a list of the 25 RINOS. I read the Fake News Washington Post as little as possible!
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YAY!!!!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Could you guys please stop insulting our host. It’s so offensive.--

As long as you mean actual insults, I agree with you Jane.
If you mean disagreeing with him, including vigorously, when we think he's wrong, I don't agree with you, and doubt TM does either.

[Barbara]

I agree that we should not insult our host, and my comments were not intended to do that. I actually believe TM's comments are designed to provoke discussion. In that spirit, I could not let his introduction to this thread stand without writing a response. I hope and believe TM knows that.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

We have a very non virtuous cycle in place; the bug spikes as bugs are wont to do. About the time the bug is done spiking our genius overlords slap a bunch of restrictions on us.
Even though one can pinpoint that the peak was reached prior to their tyranny the subsequent decline that was already occurring they claim as proof their feckless reactions are saving the day.

[hrtshpdbox]

Hillary: Team Trump had a tough day Friday.

Ah shaddup Hillary.

[Narciso]

Indeed

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1334830165847904257

[Buckeye]

But instead we make a drink and he turns on the tube.

Well it is a college football Saturday:)

[Barbara]

See video:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1334553696001269760

Rudy Giuliani in fighting form! As best as I can remember the quote from many years ago, when asked if he ever got "mad" when negotiating with the Iranians to free our American citizens held captive in Iran, William Christopher said, "You never get angry unless you do it on purpose."

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

ESG on steroids [and transgender hormones];
Harvard Prof Slams Friedman's 'Impact-Ignorant' Capitalism

It will come as no surprise to readers to find that Serafeim [a Hahvhad man, naturally] is well-known in the world of environmental, social and corporate governance investing -- in his words, he was “doing ESG before it was cool.”
One example that the Harvard group highlight is Intel.

The chipmaker was credited $6.9 billion in 2018 for paying its employees well and for boosting local economies where it has offices.

But they deducted $3.1 billion for what they said was a shortage of women employees, the difficulty of career advancement and not enough attention paid to workers’ health.

Where does all this end? Who knows.

We know exactly where it ends - the same place all social engineering and government control does; the gulag.

[clarice]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/rudy-giuliani-michigan-judge-orders-forensic-audit-22-dominion-voting-machines/

[Robin, eff 'em all]

I will disagree with the last sentence of that 10:49 comment;
The most important lesson I remember from Sun Tzu was always leave your enemy a route of retreat. Otherwise they will fight to the death.

This is interesting. I've been thinking about this in regards to Trump and to us, really. Trump is not going to be allowed to retire with dignity in Fl. They are going to hound him and attack his business ventures and spend plenty of taxpayer dollars to find something to hang him with. He knows that.

And what about us? Etsy decides to weigh in on what a storekeeper can sell after changing all their rules about handmade and imports, which basically allowed anyone to sell anything. I feel backed into a corner with this election malarkey and the COVID nightmare. I wonder how many people like me are assessing their situation and thinking, what can I do right now? Tomorrow? And next year?

[CCGirl]

I shop a lot at our local TJ Maxx, at least I did prior to this mess. I have their credit card. So I visit the sister online company, Sierra Trading Post. Great prices on sporting goods, etc, and I have all these coupons from using the credit card. Top of the home page: “A MESSAGE ON RACIAL JUSTICE.”

🤯

[Buckeye]

Hillary: Team Trump had a tough day Friday.

Maybe, but there is no Team Hillary.

[Captain Hate]

I knew the GOPes were useless, I didn't know until
this election debacle that some in key positions were actively aiding
the enemy.

Posted by: kallisto at December 05, 2020 01:08 PM (DJFLF)

Steve Bannon on his War Room show said his sources told him one of the reasons the PA state Republican "leadership" didn't want to do anything is because once Trump is gone they think things will "get back to normal". They can get back to their grift and pretend opposing the Dems while cuts deals with them and screwing us. It really is the Uniparty. What the dumb bell Republicans don't get is once the Democrats get enough power like in states like Illinois they don't even need their phony opposition any more. They wipe them out and it becomes a one party state. This is the Dems plan nationwide and they will cheat in every election to achieve that.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 05, 2020 01:33 PM (03m5s)

[Robin, eff 'em all]

Buh-bye TJ Maxx.

[Robin, eff 'em all]

CH, didn't they hear about the "new normal?" And they think they will be a part of it?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Team Hillary's had a tough four years.
And if you consider how miserable the messed up narcissist/borderline is, she's had a tough six or seven decades.

[CCGirl]

Robin, I feel the same. I think that Trump will need to leave the country if he loses. They will put him in jail, and his family. He probably has plans to move to some island with no extradition. Or he has his own. They will go after his businesses, everything. I feel backed into a corner. Imagine how he feels.

When I’m in the store I am busy, but I must deal with the idiots all day. When I am home I feel stifled. There are signs to wear a mask everywhere. Local stores are limiting occupancy. Shopping online is full of virtue signals. This is all a bunch of bs, and 70+ million are feeling backed into a corner. I don’t know Sun Tzu’s strategies, but it sure seems like the left is ignoring the one Ig pointed out.

[CCGirl]

I just texted my oldest that she and her siblings are all getting My Pillows and a bible for Christmas. She laughed, and said she just purchased a nice bible. Okay. She’s 24. Things are getting stranger by the minute.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--What the dumb bell Republicans don't get is once the Democrats get enough power like in states like Illinois they don't even need their phony opposition any more. They wipe them out and it becomes a one party state.--

What The Quiet Man doesn't get is a man with GOPe scruples very easily becomes a man with Dem scruples when the call is heard.
They don't disappear; they molt.

[jimmyk]

“I feel backed into a corner with this election malarkey and the COVID nightmare.”

I thought Joe campaigned on “no more malarkey”?

Not sure that Sun Tzu principle is so universal. I’ve been reading Chernow’s “Grant,” which reminded me that USG made sure that Lee had no escape route, which resulted in his surrender at Appomattox.

The prospect of these Weissman wannabees harassing Trump with prosecutions after he leaves office infuriates me, especially after the MFM constantly accused Trump of behaving like a banana republic dictator for wanting to go after crooks from the Obama administration. These people have no shame. They’ll cheer on any prosecution of Trump, and NY juries will be salivating. I wouldn’t blame Trump if he just pulled up stakes and moved to some jurisdiction without extradition.

[jimmyk]

Hah, posted my 1:55 before seeing ccgirl’s 1:51. GMTA.

[Narciso]

Well eric prince moved his business to dubai. Theyve been trying to nick him since then, the whole seychelles gambit.

[Jane]

Barbara,

I posted that before I saw your post. I didn’t think you were insulting either. Sorry about the timing.

[CCGirl]

Unfortunately JimmyK! I hope we are both wrong! If he needs to leave, hopefully he will continue to fight, in a Charles de Gaulle way. Maybe the President of Mexico will be his ally. No clue at all. I’m just trying to get some Christmas shopping done and it’s a friggin nightmare.

I better get off. I am no longer thinking this will be a civil war, but WW3. Yikes.

[Captain Hate]

The treatment of Trump guarantees no Uniparty outsider will ever run again. Frankly I'm rooting for martial law because I've given up on the GOP. Precious few of them believe in defending the Constitution.

[Len]

I have been lurking for years and years! I appreciate the conversation and insights. Post election, I have taken comfort from the hopeful attitudes even as they are tempered by less encouraging expressions. I vacillate daily - hourly - myself, so I know I'm in the right place.

Thank you all for this great community of thoughts, ideas, and mutual support. I can't say I'll have much to add but I have, at least, won the fight against Typepad letting me in.

[Captain Hate]

Greetings, Len; you even figured out the avatar thing which still eludes some, or they don't care.