From Smoot-Hawley To Josh Hawley

Sen. Josh Hawley commits to objecting to accepting Joe Biden as the next President. This will force a floor debate and a vote Biden will win but it lets Hawley position himself for 2024 as the Trumpiest candidate not named Trump.

Sen. Sasse of the Never Trump "Come home to reality" wing of the party (Wing?!? More like a stray crumpled feather...) lays out his concerns with this sort of grandstanding.

Comments

[Thomas Collins]

One doesn't need to be a Trumpist to conclude that the 2020 POTUS election "results" need to be fully vetted, even given the substantial likelihood that Biden will be inaugurated on Jan. 20th. If for no other reason, the thorough vetting must be done to try to prevent fraud in future elections.

As far as the substance of Hawley's challenge goes, without state legislatures providing alternate slates of electors, the challenge isn't going anywhere in terms of whether Biden will be inaugurated. The challenge is worthwhile, however, in providing continuing sustenance to what I call election integrity activities.

[Thomas Collins]

Re Sasse and other proponents of the "overturning" meme. What nonsense. There is nothing to overturn. There are sufficient indications of fraud to call into question whether a properly conducted election would have resulted in Biden getting to 270. And there is nothing ceremonial about Congress's counting the electoral votes. It is a solemn duty that the likes of Sasse, not Hawley, are unjustifiably denigrating.

If Sasse has concluded that the votes presented should be certified, that is in his power to do so. But attacking those who object constitutes the grandstanding.

[Buford Gooch]

At what point did our host go full never-Trump?

[Thomas Collins]

TM has been a non-aficionado of Trump for awhile, Buford Gooch. I'm fine with the blog leader providing a different perspective than the center of gravity of most of the bloggers. I look forward to future TM analysis of how Biden's climate policies and trade policies improve on Trump's (not to mention Biden's attempt to reverse Trump's classical liberal tax policies). I'm also looking forward to TM's analysis of whether Biden's Mideast policies are building on Trump's spectacular successes in this area, or undercutting them.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Willowed;
MM,--
Aside from the fact that we don't KNOW there isn't a super hero out there, sometimes it takes someone with super endurance and patriotism to get the grunts to wake up and start saying "What the heck?" and "Stop this BS right now or else!"--

There are NO superheroes. We DO know that. Trump has IMO been heroic in his efforts. And it does often take a leader to motivate the grunts. But let's not forget how Trump became a hero; millions of grunts already awake and motivated elected him and they did so again in 2020. But because he is not a superhero and because we grunts have only begun to wake up the swamp stole this election.
The only "Or else!" that matters is not what a president can say because his powers are limited, especially in a corrupted system. The one that matters is first, a committed mass of the people turning the culture and then the politics back to reason, sanity and liberty.
The only other 'or else' that we possess is a committed mass of the people rising up and saying 'okay we sought to restore liberty and sanity peacefully and you prevented it. We will now restore it violently.'

TomR --Should Trump supporters have hope and faith that there is some unknown plan in the works or should they be despondent and go ahead and take the step forward off the ledge?--

Neither.
To your first question; Put not your faith in princes nor the sons of men.
To the second; weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

Trump supporters should continue to support him in whatever roll he assumes. But they should also realize this was never about Trump nor has it been dependent on him.
So we pull up our big boy pants, roll up our sleeves and begin the long haul of rolling back what these maggots have done to our country. If it can't be rolled back then, as Joe Biden might say about masks, we have a patriotic duty to shoot precisely as many and no more of the traitorous scum who are highjacking our country as is necessary to restore self governance and the rule of law.

[Jane]

Go Iggy! And Happy New Year!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--I'm fine with the blog leader providing a different perspective than the center of gravity of most of the bloggers. --

Me too, though the superior snark gets a little tiring. That's our job. :)
It will also go a long way to making it easier to swallow when TM has the common decency to do a full mea culpa upon the flowering of whatever disasters Heckle and Jeckle visit upon us that Trump would not have.

[Marlene]

Good afternoon! DeSantis 2024!
Whoop-de-doo, baby!

[henry]

Also important to deny Biden (and especially his crime boss in waiting, Harris) any notion of a mandate. Which a fraudulent vote total would support. Back to paying for Iran’s nukes? Welfare for the entire population o south of the border? Power only when the wind blows within a 5mph range of perfect? The Constitution as so much toilet paper? To acquiesce to this election without addressing the fraud is to champion a new dark age.

[henry]

The McCain method of campaigning.

@cnbc

GOP Sen. David Perdue quarantines after close contact with someone infected with Covid, days before Georgia vote

[Jane]

De Santiago is the best!

[Marlene]

Jane, I love his quote about getting the vaccine. I think I'll use it as my mantra in 2021. :)

[fdcol63 🇺🇸]

The sad fact is this:

Neither the Democrats OR the GOPe are interested in fixing election fraud. They BOTH are complicit in the fraud and they BOTH benefit from it.

Neither party is interested in fixing corruption, because they BOTH benefit from it.

Neither party is interested in protecting the US Constitution, because it limits BOTH of them.

Neither party is interested in protecting OUR interests or America itself, because none of the political and elitist oligarchy and Deep State creatures even consider themselves our neighbors or our fellow countrymen. They are globalists intent on destroying American sovereignty, the concept of “nation-states”, capitalism, and Western values ... working diligently to subjugate us all under a universal, global government ruled by a technocracy that will deprive us of our civil liberties and freedoms for the “good of Mother Gaia”.

Neither party will work for us, because we no longer have a competitive, adversarial, 2-party system. It’s now a UniParty working against us.

[Jane]

David Perdue and wife have gone into quarantine!

[Jane]

Marlene,

I’d be a hell of a lot more effective if I could see what I type! I loved his quote too!

[Neo]

Dan Rather @DanRather

Remember the outrage over Obama’s healthcare website rollout? Waiting for the vaccine!

https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/1344701423536263168

Let's face it. Dan Rather deserves a COVID "Fake But Accurate" pacebo vaccine.

[Jane]

Fed,

You nailed it!

[Narciso]

Wonderful captain.

[Old Lurker]

fdcol is dead right.

[Captain Hate]

Thanks, here's more recent

[Tom R]

Is that all you got? Iggy bitch slapped you. So now your move is to use your Aristotelian defined "wrong logic" habit to hide in the JOM drapes?

Your view of the world isn't sober, Tom. You've been told and shown over and over.

It's still an idiot's choice. You'll learn. I think.

Posted by: KevlarKid | December 31, 2020 at 03:25 PM

It was enough to point out how the large majority of JOM posters here believed Trump and Barr were doing what they said they were doing. What compels you to act like a dick?

BTW how exactly did Iggy "bitch slap" me? All he did was ignore the point and change the subject about hope and faith in Trump having a plan to somehow get re-elected into having hope and faith in God.

Lastly my view of the world is largely based on God, conservative values, and patriotism. If you think that is an idiot's choice then that says more about you than it does about me.

Go crawl back under the bridge and have a MAGA new year.

[Tom R]

Neither the Democrats OR the GOPe are interested in fixing election fraud. They BOTH are complicit in the fraud and they BOTH benefit from it.

Election fraud is something I always knew Democrats were guilty of but never expected that the GOPe was also just as guilty of. One thing that Trump exposed is that the GOPe is just as corrupt and evil as the Democrats are and likely getting paid off by the same entities.

[Jim Eagle]

What DeSantis quote are you all referencing?

[Jane]

“Fed” but fed OL! Sheesh!

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

“I’m willing to take it, but I am not the priority. They are the priority. I am under 45, people under 45 are not going to be first in line for this. So when it’s my turn, I will take it, but this is who I want to be vaccinated. I want my parents, our grandparents, to be able to get it and granted, I’m an elected official. But, whoop-de-doo. At the end of the day, let’s focus where the risk is.”

[Jane]

Okay,

I give up!

[Jim Eagle]

Thanks, Steph. Sounds exactly like him and what you'd expect from his leadership here so far.

On another note, CH, she is a cutie. Keep here smiling and giggling.

[Buford Gooch]

fdcol, we can have our two party system in working order as soon as next year if we wish. All we have to do is establish control (through our votes) of the Republican Party. There are certainly enough of us to do so.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

I bought a nice champagne last year and it's been in the fridge for the entire year. I was sick last year and didn't open it. Still good to drink???

[Buford Gooch]

Iggy, I have taken the liberty of posting another of your excellent comments on my Facebook page.

[anonamom]

TC, don't hold your breath. TM is deeply Never Trump, and as such, cannot acknowledge that Trump has accomplished more good in his four years than any other president since RR.

[Captain Hate]

Should be as good as it was a year ago, Steph. Enjoy.

She's a happy baby, Jack; that daughter has always been lucky.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Thanks CH!

Lovely baby! I'm glad she's a happy baby. Ariel is a happy baby and how my daughter who was the child from hell lucked into that, I'll never know.

[Davod]

IG. "But they should also realize this was never about Trump nor has it been dependent on him."

I was never a Trump supporter early on and didn't like the crass way he attacked people.

However. Don't make this mistake. It was about Trump. Who else do you think would have survived the attacks and still got a lot of conservative aims accomplished.

[Marlene]

She's adorable CH!

Jack, DeSantis said he's waiting in line for the vaccine, even though he's an *elected official*, whoop-de-doo!" In other words, he's not any more important than health care workers, first responders or the elderly.

[Momto2]

CH - What a beautiful baby girl! I know your heart must melt seeing that smile.

[Davod]

Re. My LED light globe problems. I managed to remove the two bad globes, so at least I can have some light from the third globe, without the strobe effect of the other two.

[Jane]

Marlene,

My 95 year old mother has to wait til after the inmates.

[Marlene]

Jane, I saw that about Massachusetts. We still don't know when my mother (in NH) or mother-in-law (in Maine) will get their vaccines. We are grateful that both facilities kept them safe this year.

[Captain Hate]

She's a palindrome baby: 02/02/2020

[clarice]

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/12/democrat-destroyed-all-savings-americans-three-daniel-greenfield/

[CCGirl]

The ups and downs of 2020 are here to the bitter end. The upside is my business. Crazy busy. Dec sales up 140% over last year! The down: My father in law, 78, didn’t tell anyone he’s been sick. Headed to ER for oxygen, with chest issues. Will get the covid test there. Hubs is home. His sister took him to a clinic. He has numerous health issues and some memory issues. Hubs spoke with him yesterday and all he said was he felt “peckish.” Apparently he was in bed for three days! 😳 🙏🏻

[CCGirl]

CH. very cute baby!

[hrtshpdbox]

Beautiful baby, CH.

[KevlarKid]

Tommy Boy- You posed an idiot's choice. Why so reactive? Happy New Year.

[Tom R]

Don't make this mistake. It was about Trump. Who else do you think would have survived the attacks and still got a lot of conservative aims accomplished.

100% agree. The Swamp knows if they can destroy Trump then it's less likely someone else will be willing to oppose them in the future. Lastly the GOPe element of the DC Uniparty Establishment have never supported conservative values or goals. They just deceived a lot of us into believing they did.

I still have hope and faith that Trump has as ace up his sleeve that will keep him in office. We will find out soon enough. If KK and others want to ridicule me for being an idiot then that is perfectly fine by me.

[Captain Hate]

Thanks all.

That Front Page article is brutally true.

[Captain Hate]

Best wishes for your father in law, ccg.

[henry]

Ccgirl, hope your FIL feels better than “peckish” for the new year.

[Marlene]

Davod, we had flickering lights in our bathroom, but the lights only flickered when I was in the bathroom! Hubby changed every light bulb,the bulbs still flickered! We got new light fixtures. :) The electrician is coming to do another job anyway. So I'm getting new light fixtures installed.

[hrtshpdbox]

Never too early, British oddsmakers betting order to win 2024: Harris, Biden, Trump, Pence, Cotton, Cruz, Tucker, Haley, AOC, Moochelle, Pocohantas, Buttigieg, Cuomo, Newsome, Rubio, Ivanka, Hawley, Crenshaw, Pompeo, Christie, Bernie, The Rock, Charlie Baker, Duckworth, Larry Hogan, Booker, Yang, Collins, Cuban, Kasich, Abrams, Gaetz, Oprah, Hillary, Tim Scott, Beto, Romney, Candace Owens, Paul Ryan, and after that it's pretty much 100-to-1 or higher.

[Rocco]

Congrats Capt'n, she's a beautiful baby.

Jane, That's awful, I'm all for vaccinating the cons but not before the elderly.

Does Lin Wood think he'll get something from discovery if he's sued for his crazy remarks?

[hrtshpdbox]

More free speech gold from Glenn Greenwald, here's hoping Trump reads it and pardons both Assange and Snowden.

The Kafkaesque Imprisonment of Julian Assange Exposes U.S. Myths About Freedom and Tyranny

[MissMarple2]

Ignatz and all who think I am living in a fool's paradise,

To quote y favorite governor, "Whoop-de-doo!"

I don't care if any of you think I am nuts or not. I LIVE with someone who thinks I am nutty as a fruitcake. As I said, I have not seen a president with this loyal and dedicated a following, who LOVE him and aren't afraid to say so (including guys as well as gals) in all my years of following politics, and that goes back to the DNC convention of 1960.

That video BuffyUK posted was quite good, and I am pleased to post the link here again, since this attorney understands that we are in this for the long haul BUT also points out that Trump seems to have a plan (even if no one here will admit it) and she outlines the personnel changes which indicate it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRYOVVEeTPY

[Rocco]

Prayers up CCG.

[CCGirl]

Thanks all. I’ll check in later.

[MissMarple2]

CCgirl,

Prayers up. I am almost positive daughter and I had it back in February. I was the sickest I have been in quite a while. One thing I read somewhere is that if he is in the habit of sleeping on his back, he should not. Best is on your stomach and next the side, as it keeps the lungs from filling up.

[clarice]

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/analysis/2020/12/31/breaking-deposition-shows-seth-rich-communicating-with-wikileaks-and-requesting-payment-fbi-memory-holed-data/

[Melinda]

UPDATE: Arizona Citizens Investigation Discovers Thousands of Phantom Voters in State – Up to 30% of Addresses in Investigation Were Fraudulent

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/update-arizona-citizens-investigation-discovers-thousands-phantom-voters-state-30-addresses-investigation-fraudulent/

[hrtshpdbox]

Sy Hersh, though, Clarice. Not that it's not possible, obviously.

[henry]

Latest on vaccine tampering. 57 were injected with spoiled vaccine.

The pharmacist, a male Grafton resident, intentionally left the vaccine out of refrigerated storage over the weekend, knowing those who were given the vaccine would think they had been inoculated against the virus when they actually were not, according to a Grafton Police report.

https://biztimes.com/former-aurora-pharmacist-arrested-for-alleged-vaccine-tampering/?

[henry]

New Years in pics...

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/12/new-years-news-you-can-use-in-pics.php

[Davod]

From Instapundit "HE LOST (HALF THE AUDIENCE) ON JEOPARDY, BABY: Wannabe Jeopardy! Host Ken Jennings Is A Brett Kavanaugh Rape Truther Who Hates Republicans."

My wife and I watched Jeopardy every night, and I still do. I knew Jennings was a liberal, but I didn't realize he was so arrogant. If he gets the job I will find something else to do.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/30/wannabe-jeopardy-host-ken-jennings-is-a-brett-kavanaugh-rape-truther-who-hates-republicans/

[Jim Eagle]

Just to sum up 2020!

[Davod]

More from Instapundit "THAT’LL PLAY WELL: New US dietary guidelines: No candy, cake for kids under 2."

More for the rest of us!

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-dietary-guidelines-candy-cake-kids.html

[Tom R]

A flight log to Epstein’s Pedophile Isle with an entry for a John Roberts. Of special note is the Confidential classification marking which indicates this document was released by the Feds.

https://twitter.com/patrickbyrne/status/1344737864588943365?s=21

[DrJ]

Our Mandarins have ripened. They are magnificent!

CA may be a shithole, but it is a great place to grow things.

[Rocco]

Now wait just a darn minute. Mueller told us that without a doubt, Russia hacked the DNC servers and gave it to Assange. Mueller the White Hat!

[Melinda]

Yesterday?

BobbyPiton
@BobbyPiton3
That is so awesome... I heard yesterday that he was alive... this is confirmation! This is Outstanding!!
Quote Tweet
Lin Wood
@LLinWood
· 9h
I am fully aware of the onslaught of attacks being made against me based on my revelations about Chief Justice John Roberts. Before attacking me, maybe fair-minded people would first ask Roberts to tell the truth.

Or ask Jeffrey Epstein. He is alive.

https://twitter.com/BobbyPiton3/status/1344745134274048009

[MissMarple2]

Hey, Tom R!

Chess!

[Narciso]

Quelle surprise

This year just toads the wet sprocket for everyone imvolved

[Narciso]

Prayers for your father ccgirl.

[Melinda]

⚔️😼🌹Bad Kitty 真相 🌹 😼⚔️
@pepesgrandma
Breaking! Pulitzer has now caught a Georgia voting machine wirelessly communicating back and forth with a smart TV to China via a hidden network!

Video at link

m.facebook.com/JovanHuttonPul…

https://twitter.com/pepesgrandma/status/1344757582913810432

[anonamom]

Don't read that Greenfield article clarice posted unless you've got twice the booze you thought you were going to drink tonight available.

Warning--it is EXTREMELY reality based.

So much for my festive New Year's Eve.
(And people give OL crap...)

[peter]

Well, my streak of maskless train rides without any complaints has come to an end. A fellow passenger quite angrily told me to put on a mask or step back (we were both standing in the vestibule of the train as it pulled into the station.) No further discussion was held.

[peter]

So happy for all the proud grandparents here.

[Melinda]

Rasmussen Reports
@Rasmussen_Poll
Update 2 - Pulitzer also reported that his investigators are aware of & recording current truck activity at a key Georgia ballot storage facility & that possible boxes of 2020 election ballots he has requested to test yesterday are apparently being removed - on New Years Eve.

Rasmussen Reports @Rasmussen_Poll
Update 1 - Pulitzer yesterday reported open WiFi transmitting live Georgia voter data live over the internet.

Today he identified & reported who was specifically getting the data & where & what was the WiFi transceiver was, a standard TV at the polling location. twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll…

https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1344790162384031744

[BuffyUK]

I was in Dublin one New Year's Eve and every taxi and pub was playing Gloria Gaynor's hit "I Will Survive", ended up hearing it at least six times.

As of 11:00 pm GMT the UK is now out of the EU. Yay! I worked on the first Referendum, putting leaflets through letterboxes. People would come out their door and hand it back to me, saying under their breath "don't worry about my vote". I knew the result would be good.

We've had a wonderful bottle of Laurent Perrier champagne which was slightly cheaper and much better than the Pol Roger of Christmas.

Then we watched something called Greatest Hits of the 80s and now I'm winding down before all the neighbours start setting off fireworks. I have always hated fireworks. I think I was a soldier in another life.

"All is quiet on New Year's Day, A world in white gets underway"

Happy New Year everybody!

[Jim Eagle]

Peter,

Fuck off is still a genial reply.

[DrJ]

The lemons have ripened too. It is about a month from ripe loranges.

[CCGirl]

Father in law is okay! Rapid test negative. Mild pneumonia! Headed home. Hubs has duty tomorrow. His other sister will stay tonight. Yeah! Thanks for all the prayers! I advised hubs he needs to make sure he sits up a lot tomorrow, and moves about. I was very nervous as he lives in a senior community (apartments) and what a nightmare if covid hit there.

Love the Peanuts meme!

Eating left over pizza re-heated in the air fryer my son gave me. Delicious, and very unhealthy. Whatever- healthy begins on the 2nd :-)

[rich]

Posted by: fdcol63 🇺🇸 | December 31, 2020 at 03:45 PM

right on.

i'll remember the traitors who supported this harris coup and watching the gope burn to the ground will be a good start.

[MJW]

A flight log to Epstein’s Pedophile Isle with an entry for a John Roberts. Of special note is the Confidential classification marking which indicates this document was released by the Feds.

What's supposed to be the revelation here? It's been known for a long time that there's a "John Roberts" on the flight log. The problem is establishing that it's the chief justice, and not just someone who shares that rather common name.

[jimmyk]

peter, there was a major Karen on my subway ride today, yelling at people to put their masks up. One lady got on the train fully masked, and this b***h screamed at her to put her mask up, evidently because the mask wasn't sufficiently burka-like. I told her off.

[Narciso]

Good news ccgirl.

[James D.]

Got an update on my cousin. Her husband texted that she’s out of surgery and in recovery. They’ll do an MRI and then move her to the ICU. The surgeon said he felt “very positive.”

Apparently they will keep her in the hospital for 21 days then into rehab.

So thank you everyone for your prayers for her!

[Narciso]

Summing up

https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/

[joan]

Peter, at 6:42 p.m. -- Oh, I wish you hadn't been sick so that you could have sneezed on him.

:)

Those cowards are so ignorant, ill-informed, and arrogant -- with no good reason.

[matt - deplore me if you must]

LA Times today has an op/ed demanding that Mt. Baden Powell in the San Gabriel Mountains be renamed because he was a racist.

This is how f'ing crazy these people are. Their drive to eliminate any vestige of Western Culture or ethics is insane.

Scouting has brought more people together from more cultures than any other movement in history. Hitler and Stalin and Mao banned them.

It teaches important life skills, self reliance, good morals and good character so of course it has to be destroyed in any and all forms by the woke mob.

It really has become a war. Ig is right. It's on us just as it has been throughout our history.

Let's go into the new year knowing that we are 70 million strong and have the facts on our side. We have the Right on our side as well.

The Left now stands exposed for evil and that which kills the soul. How can we doubt this when they call for infanticide or burn people's hopes and dreams to the ground or arrest ordinary people and release murderers?

This should resonate with all people, not just conservatives. The media have brainwashed half the country. We know the enemy. We know how they fight. We know that they are the hollow men.

So don't give up. Fight like hell, and let's outthink and outwit them at every opportunity.

[jimmyk]

Catching up, good news about your FIL, ccgirl.

She's a palindrome baby: 02/02/2020

CH, great baby pix. Did they give her a name like Eve or Anna or Hannah?

[joan]

Peter, of course for countless reasons I wish you hadn't been sick,

but would have been fun to stomp on his foot and not worry about repercussions if he'd have objected to your not wearing a mask.

[MissMarple2]

https://www.theblaze.com/news/democratic-new-mexico-governor-fines-churches-for-holding-christmas-eve-services

This "in your face" stuff is what is pushing the country closer to the tipping point.

[Jim Eagle]

Kurt's predictions for 2021! Not as bad as my predictions but close enough for horseshoes.

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/12/31/my-prediction-for-2021-is-pain-n2582295

[joan]

ccgirl, so glad your fil doesn't have the covid.

Right now our state supposedly has the greatest contagiousness or most cases or some such 'horrifying' statistic. The media does love to broadcast how bad things are.

[bubarooni]

Happy New Year to all JOMers.

[MissMarple2]

Thanks bubarooni! Happy New Year to you!

I predict we have about another hour here before the Hispanic families start the early fireworks down the street. Dogs will go nuts, of course.

[CCGirl]

As an employer in Mass I am so happy to say that the 2021 minimum wage is $13.50 an hour. I can’t wait to pay some 15 year old who tries to help, but doesn’t know much, and mostly stands around. We have a nice kid in the summer. He has a clue, but still he’s 15. He loves to answer the phone, but then he can’t answer any questions. 🙄. At least he’s got a clue politically!

I knew it was increasing, but I didn’t know the rate until just now. Harumph!

[Captain Hate]

Congratulations, James; that was a major deal.

Did they give her a name like Eve or Anna or Hannah?

Unlike us, they dawdled around on naming her until just before going home. They had decided on Beatrice but couldn't figure out a middle name. The nurse discharging them said "have you named that baby yet? Don't make us put Baby Bean on the discharge papers." The two goofballs looked at each other and Beatrice Bean it is.

[Jim Eagle]

Neighbor is setting off fireworks on the beach and my Beagles are Trembling. They do not like that sound.

[CCGirl]

One customer named Jean goes by “Bean.” She is a petite woman.