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[James D.]

History is unlikely to portray him as a traitor for not mounting an insurrection to keep his job.

Depend who writes the history.

If, as seems likely, Biden gets us into a pointless, costly and losing war (or wars), craters the economy and his appointees keep turning up the heat on destructive, divisive, racist identity politics policies to the point that there's massive bloodshed in the streets...and Biden was the last guy who could have stopped all that within the bounds of the law...he's going to look pretty damn bad to history.

[Old Lurker]

Jane "I think Mike Pence is one of the most honorable men in DC."

Talk about damning with faint praise!

:-)

[peter]

matt @ 2:32, great post.

[GUS]

I never would have guessed that Matt would be a PROGLODITE RACIST against undocumented El Salvadoran refugees, who came to America for a better life, then fell into the "Wrong crowd" and because of RACISM and POVERTY reverted to crime to feed Juan and Maria. And is only being persecuted because he is a man of COLOR.

[Old Lurker]

James, it comes down to whether Pence has the authority AT says or not.

Has anybody said whether that story is real or memorex?

[Captain Hate]

Many a Giants batter looked lame tryin to hit that knucklin beast.

Even Barroid would get tied up in knots trying to swat that butterfly.

I saw Freddie King multiple times at a local club with that Gibson slung over one massive shoulder. Didn't have the body type that screamed "longevity". Nice hoarse voice to offset the stinging guitar lines. A legend for writing Hideaway.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

This has been linked before and the AT story links it as well;
If Chaos is a Ladder, America's Election Laws are an Elevator

Americans Don't Play by the Rules as Written and the Rules as Written Don't Make Any Sense.

The author is much less certain and much more thorough in exploring Pence's supposed powers.

[Captain Hate]

So because of Orange Man Bad, I received care that was materially worse than that received in a third world country.

Real doctors are your friends; public health apparatchiks not so much.

[Captain Hate]

Double Wide Double E FTL

https://twitter.com/RyanGirdusky/status/1343193048025542658

[MissMarple2]

Retweeted by the President:

LORI HENDRY
@Lrihendry
·
6h
It’s not election fraud, it’s treason!

[Dave (in MA)]

Barron knew Justice Roberts was a snake. pic.twitter.com/mi7fi0D2CX

— Mike (@FuctupMike) December 28, 2020

[Old Lurker]

Cap'n "Real doctors are your friends; public health apparatchiks not so much."

There's the rub.

I plan to email A-mom about what newby Docs are taught these days, but I was listening to the back 'n forth between YL and her Sister and BIL over Christmas. On one hand, the young docs could not dismiss YL's "in MY case with MY kids" comments about Covid/Masks/Schools/Shots arguments about the damage done by over reacting. But then in their next breath, the two young MDs both default to "yes, but..." gobblygook about public health stats in large populations, and the "public good for large numbers..." blah, blah, blah.

Not wanting to get between them, my thought was that they were confusing what is sacred between a (specific) Physician and a (specific) Patient, and what a "Public Health Official" might think about populations.

My bet is A-mom and her peers get it but newly minted MD's are born with group-speak imbedded.

[GUS]

OL, public health officials have no ONE on ONE Doctor Patient relationship. They are MACRO GOVERNMENT PSEUDO SCIENTISTS who control MACRO POPULATIONS. POWER has nothing to do with SCIENCE!!!!!!

[Threadkiller]

AB, I don’t sign up for streaming services either. And since I haven’t seen the link to the Rogan/Berenson podcast within the comments that praise the episode, I hunted down a no obligation audio file of it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/kixx36/1582_alex_berenson_the_joe_rogan_experience/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_title

Listening to it now.

[jimmyk]

“I wonder if she put out?”

Thanks, Dave. 🤢

[Captain Hate]

My bet is A-mom and her peers get it but newly minted MD's are born with group-speak imbedded.

Experience is the most effective teacher.

[jimmyk]

“My reading of the 12th amendment indicates no VP power to do other than count the electoral votes as delivered to him.”

What’s that, the Constitution? I thought the new SOP is to do whatever you want and then dare the courts to stop you.

[MissMarple2]

zerohedge
@zerohedge
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GHISLAINE MAXWELL JUDGE ORDERS SOCIALITE TO REMAIN BEHIND BARS

[GUS]

SOCIALITE??? Child rapist perhaps??

[Threadkiller]

Patrick Byrne
@PatrickByrne
TLDR: If you registered to vote in Nevada your information went to Kavtech, a Pakistani ISI-linked firm. Not mentioned here: Clark County, Nevada registrations in 90 days proceeding 2016 election: a few hundred. Same period 2020: 13,500. Many hundreds share one telephone number.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1343620734757777409

Links at link

[MissMarple2]

Retweeted by the President:

Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
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6h
Helter Stelter, Fake Tapper, et al, have forever destroyed their reputations. CNN has been fully exposed by Project Veritas and the daily insane rants of their on-air Democrat.

https://therightscoop.com/max-irony-cnns-fat-dumb-and-bald-guy-interviews-jake-tapper-about-the-futility-of-interviewing-big-fat-liars/

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

Berenson is a lonely voice talking about Covid.

He's not that lonely, really.

You're right jimmyk. He's far from alone. My intended point was that the guy spends a lot of time being dogpiled on Twitter, which (to my eye) gives him a bit of a shell-shocked vibe.

Glad to hear that ABob found the discussion valuable too, thanks again to Robin for noting it! Berenson said he doesn't believe in conspiracy but instead in "confluence".

He and Rogan are interesting to listen to when they talk (on balance disparagingly) about PDJT.
A lot of people are, IMO, behind the curve on this. But it's interesting to hear, sort of like it's interesting to read TM's tweets.

[Buckeye]

OL and CH

I hear some of that group speak coming outta Jr.’s mouth every once and awhile.

I’ve also heard him eat crow, so at least he’s still capable of learning:)

[MissMarple2]

GUS,

I found that "socialite" label pretty ridiculous, myself.

[MissMarple2]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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4m
“Breaking News: In Pennsylvania there were 205,000 more votes than there were voters. This alone flips the state to President Trump.”

[Captain Hate]

I’ve also heard him eat crow, so at least he’s still capable of learning:)

Academia doesn't emphasize humility.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Apparently Louis Gohmert is of the opinion Pence does not have the power to select electors;
Lawsuit Seeks to Give Mike Pence Power to Overturn Electoral College Vote

[Another Bob]

"He and Rogan are interesting to listen to when they talk (on balance disparagingly) about PDJT."

Noted that too. Though curiously, Rogan seemed totally on-board with the stolen election idea, and Berenson didn't raise any objection.

[Another Bob]

Ah never mind. Wasn't stolen election, it was the Hunter Biden laptop that was "100% real".

[fdcol63 🇺🇸]

I’m convinced that Vitamin D (and a strong immune system) are THE key to COVID-19.

But I am also convinced that is precisely why governments aren’t telling us that.

This was never about public health and a pandemic. This has always been a “plannedemic” that they’ve used against us to foment panic and fear, steal the election, curtail our civil liberties, destroy our economies and businesses, justify lockdowns and prepare us for their globalist / communist / authoritarian “Great Reset”.

[Jim Eagle]

Remember: Politics is the art of the possible:)

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

WTH?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Couldn't post a PJM link at 4:38. So I removed the URL and it still didn't post; the second time disappearing entirely after looking ok on preview.

[MissMarple2]

Retweeted by the President:

Lindsey Graham
@LindseyGrahamSC
·
20h
With President @realDonaldTrump signing the COVID relief and government funding bill, suffering Americans will get help, the vaccine will be distributed faster, and the government will stay open.

Congress will vote on additional stimulus checks and repealing Section 230 -- all wins for the American people.

Well done Mr. President!

[MissMarple2]

pic.twitter.com/g4NoRxSnQ5

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 28, 2020

Video Trump ad at the link. One minute, and the music and quality are really good.

[Jim Eagle]

I just got a text message:

"We have just spoke with the President and he has reactivated your 100% offer for one more hour. Donate now!"

Instead of a Red button to push when necessary he also has other buttons to reactive my 100% offer that I never made. Think about all the fake all the fake Russian or Chinese missiles. Does he push that button?"

[Neo]

Joe “the big guy” Biden got $900,000 ?
https://thespectator.info/2020/10/19/ukrainian-lawmaker-says-government-has-seized-second-laptop-belonging-to-hunter-bidens-business-contacts/

[cathyf]

ccgirl wonders:

Okay, back to the intellectual questions? Hub’s wants to know what’s the deal with the McRib?

When DrF was in college, the McD's near campus was a "test market" restaurant -- they would see experimental food before McDonalds rolled it out to all of the restaurants.

One time they were testing the McRib. DrF's roommate took a thoughtful bite, and then another, and then opined, "I think McDonald's McF***ed up!"

[MissMarple2]

https://www.wibc.com/blogs/mock-n-rob/fishers-2000-acts-of-kindness-campaign-using-your-money-to-buy-you-dinner/

Fishers and Carmel are the two ritzy bedroom communities in Hamilton County, just north of Indianapolis. Rob Kendall is WIBC's resident libertarian and he dislikes both mayors, one of who is a RINO and the other a dem, I believe.

I found this amusing, hope you will, too.

[Jane]

OL,

I’ve missed everything today (on all levels). What is the AT thing?

[Dave (in MA)]

Thanks, Dave. 🤢

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

That Neo link is from Oct 19th so apparently it doesn't matter if Joe gets paid bribes by foreign powers.

[Jane]

Just had a really interesting conversation with one of my friends here. He owned a successful business in Ohio.

One of the reasons I moved to this park, was that it was full of retired regular people - like cops and firefighters. It is also very inexpensive so for the first time in my life I don’t worry about money. I’ve always loved learning from other people so the last place I wanted to be was around pompous lawyers and doctors who think they are important.

My friend was telling me he is really sick of people with no experience giving him
advice in things they know very little about. He’s right - but I find it interesting that you don’t have to be a doctor or lawyer to think you are important.

I can’t imagine wasting the time when you could learn something on pretending you know something. Am I weird?

[clarice]

http://www.repdiamond.com/News/18754/Latest-News/PA-Lawmakers-Numbers-Don’t-Add-Up,-Certification-of-Presidential-Results-Premature-and-In-Error

[clarice]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-expanding-educational-opportunity-school-choice/

[Jane]

What AT article are you all referring to?

[Jane]

TC,

I’m running out! Best gift ever! Amy and I were fawning today! Thank you so much!

[Melinda]

Ig-

Neo neo'd my post from this AM. I wanted to reintroduce the earlier press conference after my not being helpful last night.

[Kathryn Anne]

The House has the two thirds majority to pass the 2000 dollar stimulus checks.
Agree with Jane .
Pence is a very honorable, religious and principled individual.
He used to be good friends with Paul Ryan.
Do I see him as strong presidential material?
Not sure.
I like Cotton and Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.
Everyone here continues to be enamored with President Trump.
When I look at how hard people fought for George Bush in 2000,I have to wonder why more senators aren’t willing to do the same for Donald Trump.
Shaming people into doing the right thing doesn’t seem like a wise strategy to me.
When did judges become this quivering mass of scaredy cats that can’t rule on obvious fraud.
States certifying fraud is ridiculous.
All those involved should be removed from office.

[henry]

It appears the pork is still there.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/28/house-votes-on-2000-stimulus-checks-after-trump-signs-relief-bill.html

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

This one Jane;
It's for Mike Pence to Judge whether a Presidential Election Was Held at All

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Thanks for the explanation Mel.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--It appears the pork is still there.--

Did someone think it wouldn't be?
Talk about Kabuki.

[Captain Hate]

@disclosetv
NEW - Bill Gates wants to spray millions of tonnes of dust into the stratosphere to "dim the sun and stop global warming." The project is known as SCoPEx and is funded in large part by the billionaire.
Now is your chance to corner the Honolulu snowblower market.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at December 28, 2020 06:05 PM (+y/Ru)

These billionaire egomaniacs are really turning into Bond villains.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 28, 2020 06:11 PM (Da9Bj)

[henry]

CH, and I thought the atmospheric particulates from coal plants and Diesel engines were a bad thing.

[joan]

I can't remember if this has been posted. Zip on by if you've read it:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/gop-rep-sues-pence-to-give-him-exclusive-authority-to-overturn-election-results_3634980.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-28-3

First two paragraphs:

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) filed a lawsuit against Vice President Mike Pence in a bid to overturn the presidential election results, asking a court to give Pence “exclusive authority” to decide which Electoral College votes should be counted.

According to the lawsuit (pdf), Pence has a role in the upcoming Jan. 6, 2021, joint session of Congress to count all 50 states’ Electoral College votes. Gohmert’s lawsuit, which was filed against Pence in his capacity as vice president, is asking a federal judge to strike down the 1887 Electoral Count Act and to grant Pence the authority to overturn the election results in favor of President Donald Trump.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

So let's say little Billy succeeds in cooling the planet [which in itself is bad since cooler = more dead people, mostly more dead BROWN people] and a good sized volcano goes off. Do we get to hang little Billy by the neck until dead for the hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths from the ensuing couple of years of droughts and famines?
Since we don't get to hang Fauch by the pouch for the thousands who died unnecessarily by his irresponsible suppression of HCQ, I'm guessing not.

[Kathryn Anne]

Time to put your money where your mouth is:
Yes , President Trump gets a second term
No. He does not.
I am going to say yes based on new info discovered in Nevada and Pennsylvania.
What is the status in Maricopa county and in Fulton in Georgia wrt the Dominion machines?

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

He might in 2024.
Not this time around.

[Kathryn Anne]

Iggy:
It saddens me that this time around elected officials and states bureaucrats can steal an election and no one cares.

[henry]

No.

4 years of saying every setback is a planned step forward does not foretell a happy ending. Nothing would make Harris / Uniparty happier than Wray arresting Biden on Jan 22. Blowing up telecom exchanges in Nashville merely allow the Harris administration to enforce Martial Law, suspend what remains of the constitution and seize all privately held firearms (party members excluded). The the wealth redistribution gets real. It will be illegal to be white, Christian, or conservative.

That is what I see in my bowling crystal ball.

[henry]

I code as well as I forecast. ;)

[Narciso]

Um snow piercer is not supposed to be a how to manual.

[Melinda]

Off!

[Narciso]

Thats what the recissionz are for, no?

[henry]

A bit late to matter. This is about purging voter rolls.

https://www.will-law.org/wisconsin-supreme-court-agrees-to-hear-will-lawsuit-against-wisconsin-elections-commission/

[Jim Eagle]

Henry,

Hard to believe in the country that gives the All Blacks and the HaKa that they willingly gave up their guns to the state. If it can happen there, where men are men and the Joey's run scared, it can happen anywhere including here.

[henry]

JiB, it will happen everywhere except the urban cores... you know..
where the murders are.

[Narciso]

Chutzpah

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZackMoore10p/status/1343667538601914368

[Narciso]

Curious no

https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveKrak/status/1343597752954068995

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

If we're forecasting, here Doug Kass, a smart investor, but a stupid prog, reviews his 2020 "surprises" and gives his 2021 ones.

[jim nj]

https://thehill.com/policy/international/531839-german-health-care-workers-sent-to-hospital-after-coronavirus-vaccine

Four northern German health care workers were sent to the hospital on Sunday after being accidentally given five times the recommended dose of coronavirus vaccine.

Did somebody think the vial only contained one dose?

[Narciso]

Fahrfegnugen

https://mobile.twitter.com/RepAndyBiggsAZ/status/1343655974939181056

[GUS]

Jim nj, why do you hate SCIENCE!!!!!!!!!

[Jane]

Thanks Iggy. So why does Gohmert need to sue. Seems Pence has the power.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

From narc's 7:14 link;

There were 36 positive flu tests reported by the CDC last week.

Last year in the same week there were 7,703 positive flu tests, and no year in the last 5 had fewer than 320 positive tests.

Where’s the media coverage of this statistical anomaly?!

About half of the replies should cause one to weep for our once great nation, now apparently populated by herds of Eloi who are just grist for the Dem's Morlock mill.

[Buckeye]

Four northern German health care workers were sent to the hospital on Sunday after being accidentally given five times the recommended dose of coronavirus vaccine.

So much for German precision.

[jim nj]

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/28/950427961/as-hospitals-rollout-covid-19-vaccines-healthcare-workers-describe-chaos-and-ang

As Hospitals Roll Out COVID-19 Vaccines, Health Care Workers Describe Chaos And Anger

Could this be where the revolt starts?

I suspect this will be a common theme for months to come. Somebody's always going to think they are more deserving for reasons.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Jane,
The author of the AT piece seems not too well versed or at least is far too certain.
The sources he links are much more circumspect.

[anonamom]

OL, from your charge to Pence, I am assuming you will be in the streets of DC on January 6th to support him. Being an honorable man, doing what an honorable man should do that day. I wish I could be.

****
So because of Orange Man Bad, I received care that was materially worse than that received in a third world country.

Covid case fatalities in India are a fraction of ours. Ignore the screaming headline (which is a shame; I could send it to my Commie Cousins who REALLY need to see it otherwise) and look at the case fatality charts of the countries that use HCQ:

https://freedomheadlines.com/freedom-wire/two-charts-that-prove-dr-fauci-should-be-in-prison-for-genocide/

Absolutely sickening, what academic medicine in this country has become.

[Captain Hate]

The HCQ issue, by itself, should mandate a complete overhaul of derp state medicine.

[Momto2]

Absolutely sickening, what academic medicine in this country has become.

anonamom - almost every week someone posts on a keto board I frequent that their doctor told them to stop eating low-carb/keto. That alone is enough to convince me to carefully consider some doctors' advice.

[KevlarKid]

Looking back on something now so foreign:

"We" Shawn Phillips

[GUS]

Cradle to Grave Academic shit stew.

[jim nj]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ship-sinks-17-fishermen-feared-dead/

"Officials believe the Russian-flagged vessel, which had been operating since 1979, capsized after ice buildup caused it to tilt over.

The disaster struck when the crew was hauling out a net with the catch, said the spokesman for the maritime and river transport agency Rosmorrechflot, Alexei Kravchenko.

"The vessel lost its balance and instantly capsized," he told AFP."

[clarice]

https://www.aier.org/article/twelve-times-the-lockdowners-were-wrong/
dr Fauci's comedy of errors.

[Kathryn Anne]

Momto2:
Which is why I avoid doctors like the plague.Don’t buy into the questionable science and just go about my business.
Berenson is on with Steyn during Tucker’s spot and is a voice of reason.
I trust anonamom and my brother-in-law and that is about it.

[jimmyk]

look at the case fatality charts of the countries that use HCQ

I thought France (except for a brief interruption) does use HCQ. I'm remembering a widely linked chart that showed how that interruption of around two weeks seemed to result in a big upsurge in deaths or hospitalizations.

And I asked this before but don't think I ever saw an answer: Is Quercetin a poor substitute for HCQ? I've been taking it, along with Zinc, based on amom's recommendation.

[MissMarple2]

Just got off the phone with my sister the surgery nurse. They got a new doctor in one of the practices who is Chinese, and everyone kept saying how "lovely a person" he was.

She told the other nurses that was a bad sign and the kiss of death, as far as she was concerned. Sure enough, the guy turned out to be a complete ass and made one of the other nurses CRY.

She said she was damned if she let someone yell at her and make her cry, but she wouldn't say anything because this close to officially retiring, she didn't want to have to go for DIVERSITY TRAINING!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--look at the case fatality charts of the countries that use HCQ--

I would think the one thing everyone should be able to agree on in a rational world is that, while certain policies and treatments do seem effective there appears to be no visible correlation for overall outcomes with any policies anywhere. For every example someone supplies to support their particular claim there are a half dozen counter examples.

[henry]

Jimmyk, quercetin does pull zinc into cells. So does HQC. To the extent zinc in cells fights Kung Flu (and other infections) that is a good thing.

[MissMarple2]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1343606780232945667.html

This is an interesting thread, pointing out that Trump has national emergency powers and can reallocate money. And it is a LAW.

Original thread with comments:
https://twitter.com/BrianTh37895972/status/1343619617491714048

[jim nj]

https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/photos/berenice-abbotts-changing-new-york?image=0

17 NYC photos from the mid 30's.

[anonamom]

For every example someone supplies to support their particular claim there are a half dozen counter examples.

Please feel free to show us the half dozen counter examples where HCQ was used routinely and the case fatality rate is higher than where it was not used.

[President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA]

JiB: We have just spoke with the President and he has reactivated your 100% offer for one more hour.

Sorry, dear fellow, but Our President has activated a 1000% match por moi.

[GUS]

HCQ has not been approved by BEEEEEG BROTHER.

It is a non-Medicine.

[Rocco]

Yep, Quercetin and HCQ are both ionophores which I understand transport ions like zinc into cells. A Poor Mans HCQ.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Please feel free to show us the half dozen counter examples where HCQ was used routinely and the case fatality rate is higher than where it was not used.--

Occasionally you display a tendency to read into a comment what you want to see in it even when it has explicitly excluded the claim you are disputing.

I explicitly said and I quote "while certain policies and treatments do seem effective" which includes all manner of Ivermectin, HCQ and any other particular treatments you might want to name that do seem effective.

I also explicitly said "there appears to be no visible correlation for overall outcomes with any policies anywhere".
That means that when comparing states and nations there appears to be little to no correlation of overall outcomes for use or nonuse of masks, lockdowns or no lockdowns, socialized or private medicines, primitive or advanced countries, tropical or high latitude positions on the globe and a hundred other claims people make.

[Narciso]

Well we know what doesnt work in spades, and work from there.