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December 21, 2020

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Buckeye

In my neighborhood I never see people walking with masks, except when a health care provider (usually a physical therapist) gets out of their car to go ring a patient’s doorbell.

Captain Hate

Is anybody getting anything other than 404s from those web archive links?

Narciso

I was able to

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/coldwar/interviews/episode-6/de_toledo1.html

sbwaters

We used to tuck chicken’s heads under their wing and pet them to put them to sleep.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

-Ig, no idea as I don’t study that type of thing!--

Well I do and though your word is a bit suspect it is also excellent and another reason I need to get your book.
BTW, the word I paired with 'callipygian' the other day was 'spathic' which is a geologists' term for rocks that have good cleavage. :)

sbwaters

Ig knows rocks that have cleavage.

Jj532aa

Well, I just keep trying. Today someone posted this link from twitter, Justin Hart:

https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1340725086278434821

BREAKING! Do mask mandates work? Our analysis below.
We looked at cases on days where mask mandates were in place vs when they were not. We calculated the cases per day adjusted for population and:

WITH MASK MANDATE:
27 cases per day per 100K people

NO MASK MADATE
17 cases

a second tweet:

That's right. With mandates in place states say 10 more cases per 100K population. Here's the breakdown by state. Many states have had days with mandates (blue) and without (orange)

Drawn your own conclusions.

Here's a 5th tweet:

Another objection: "Well maybe people aren't really wearing masks!" We have you covered there. Here's an interactive tool allowing you to drill down on county-level covid cases mapped to a NYTimes survey on how people are wearing masks.

and a 6th:

We also have numerous articles and studies demonstrating that mask mandates are not justified and that recent items cited by the CDC do not present strong evidence at all for mask mandates.
6/

https://rationalground.com/the-human-studies-cited-by-the-cdcs-recent-scientific-brief-do-not-support-community-masking/

https://rationalground.com/cdcs-sloppy-scientific-brief-adds-nothing-to-the-evidence-for-masks/

Maybe there is something here in the links, Dr.J.

I googled Justin Hart. It says he's a data expert. Followed on twitter by Jack Flynn, Margot Cleveland, Emerald Robinson, Dan Scavino, et al.

Narciso

They are relying on largely left wing or liberal publications. When they let a back stage peak at the wizard.

Melinda

Tucking heads on pheasants with quick shake can induce a light nap at some hunt clubs.

Narciso

The last link did work curious.

Narciso


This was the first one

https://web.archive.org/web/20200513141049/https://swprs.org/the-american-empire-and-its-media/">https://swprs.org/the-american-empire-and-its-media/">https://web.archive.org/web/20200513141049/https://swprs.org/the-american-empire-and-its-media/

Maybe sphere of influence is less loaded

Narciso

Oh fahrfegnugwn.

Narciso

Heres the first extract

Largely unbeknownst to the general public, executives and top journalists of almost all major US media outlets have long been members of the influential Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

Established in 1921 as a private, bipartisan organization to “awaken America to its worldwide responsibilities”, the CFR and its close to 5000 elite members for decades have shaped US foreign policy and public discourse about it. As a well-known Council member famously explained, they transformed the American republic into a global empire, albeit a “bene­volent” one.

Based on official membership rosters, the following illustration depicts for the first time the extensive media network of the CFR and its two major international affiliate organizations: the Bilderberg Group (mainly covering the US and Europe) and the Trilateral Commission (covering North America, Europe and East Asia), both established by Council leaders to foster elite cooperation at the global level.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

This place; Grandiloquent Word of the Day has a secondary definition [and spelling] for bathykolpian that causes my cup to runneth over;

Narciso


Here is an illuminating link


https://web.archive.org/web/20200517023936/https://swprs.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cfr-media-network-hdv-spr.png">https://swprs.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cfr-media-network-hdv-spr.png">https://web.archive.org/web/20200517023936/https://swprs.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cfr-media-network-hdv-spr.png

Narciso


Remember him


In a column entitled “Ruling Class Journalists”, former Washington Post senior editor and ombudsman Richard Harwood described the Council and its members approvingly as “the nearest thing we have to a ruling establishment in the United States”.

Harwood continued: “The membership of these journalists in the Council, however they may think of themselves, is an acknowledgment of their active and important role in public affairs and of their ascension into the American ruling class. They do not merely analyze and interpret foreign policy for the United States; they help make it. () They are part of that establishment whether they like it or not, sharing most of its values and world views.”

However, media personalities constitute only about five percent of the overall CFR network. As the following illustration

Narciso

This was recent


https://mobile.twitter.com/RepGosar/status/1341188864396808194

Captain Hate

This almost makes up for wage and price controls

And you know, Hiss could be pretty snooty at times. during his trial, he corrected the grammar of the prosecutor and it didn't go over at all, it made him look bad, but that was the kind of person he was.

Narciso

That was stupidity on stilts maybe the mudge rose office water cooler, but hiss had he not been stopped might have been secretary of state maybe in 10 years and after that...

clarice

https://www.aier.org/article/asymptomatic-spread-revisited/
asymptomatic people can spread he virus and the thought that they could--neve made sense to me. But it was convenient to hobble all of us.

Narciso

Yes it seemed improbable even in smaller cases like the diamond princess

Threadkiller

The guest host on Mark Levin’s show is playing clips of Treytor Gowdmouth telling the rest of us to shut up about this election.

I am too tired to seek out the audio of this not so shocking dribble from that prick.

I will look it up tomorrow. Nytol.

clarice

s/b canNOT spread the virus

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

DrJ, this is clearly written and not too long. The author is an MD with a PhD in Econ.
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/sensible-compassionate-anti-covid-strategy/

Threadkiller

https://redstate.com/jeffc/2020/12/21/rep-thomas-massie-reveals-why-democrats-are-completely-full-of-bovine-excrement-on-the-covid-stimulus-bill-n298262

Wasn’t this showboating asshole the Dickhead-of-the-Month when he suggested that Pelosi and McConnell follow The Constitution several months ago?

Threadkiller

😴

Narciso

In 1968 who was a viable candidate the gipper had just figured out all the rooms in the governors mansion (sarc) but nixon relied too much on the new york establishment. Trump is the opposite having been all around them all his life he feels no need to impress them perhaps a little lip service. Except possibly criminal justice reform

Captain Hate

Thanks TK; the summary of the podcast mentions Treytor doing what he's always done.

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

TK, I'm following Rep Massie on Parler (or maybe Gab, I forget). My esteem for him has only grown.

That stimulus bill needs to die.
I hope PDJT has the will left to do it. There is and has been a lot on his plate

MissMarple2

Adam Housley
@adamhousley
·
2h
So regular Americans get $600...and we give foreign governments hundreds of millions. If we don’t vote these jackwads in DC out in 2 years it’s our own damn fault. This crosses party lines as usual.

MissMarple2

Adam Housley
@adamhousley

Members of Congress got the bill at 2pm today...5,500 pages...they voted a couple of hours later. None of us got to see it. This isn't democracy. This is a political booster club deciding what crumbs to give the kids.
10:44 PM · Dec 21, 2020

Narciso


You cant be cynical enough i think


https://mobile.twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1340989855329824769

Narciso

So why would a backdoor in the code

https://blog.reversinglabs.com/blog/sunburst-the-next-level-of-stealth

MissMarple2

I am worn out. Off to bed.

Nytol!

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Here is the word of the day that describes the entire foundation upon which the internet and social media are constructed;

jim nj

After reading about some of the things in the Covid bill I think Trump should veto it and include a list of every stupid thing in it he wants taken out first.

jim nj

Assuming he didn't ask for some of them.

clarice

He should veto it with a speech saying why..Once people see what Nancy and schumer have done, they'll not mind giving up that $600.

Jane

As you know, I am a masknometer. I can honestly say I would be dead by now if I had to live in those conditions. In the few stores where they tell you to wear masks, I put it below my nose, and once I’m thru the door, below my mouth or take it off. I’ve only encountered one complaint, about 6 months ago by a young guy who didn’t work in the store , who as I was leaving told me to go home. Since that’s where I was going, I said: “Okay”.

I don’t know how you guys do it. Today I saw a woman driving alone in her car with a mask on and burst out laughing. Even funnier when you see that in a golf cart.

I seriously do not believe they work and it’s simply another attempt at control. Even my doctors don’t make me keep them on. Time to revolt!

Jane

I think he should veto it too -with a speech that of course will not be covered. Then he should rewrite it - make it 10 pages instead of 600, and send it to Congress,

clarice

https://amgreatness.com/2020/12/20/covid-woke-science-and-death/

Narciso

They ought to call one site memory hole, that was the term i was grasping re wikipedia


https://youtu.be/3nOigXR9fPk

Some one at althouse pointed out you cant do any links about the original wesley cook murder of danny faulkner, now that of the formers attys is now the da, and now supporting a petition for him.you cant find it at the inquirer or even the local station

Jane

That was excellent Clarice! Every time I read VDH, I can hear him talking.

Narciso


Is that strange or what

https://web.archive.org/web/20090509202217/http://www.fop.net/causes/faulkner/danny.shtml">http://www.fop.net/causes/faulkner/danny.shtml">https://web.archive.org/web/20090509202217/http://www.fop.net/causes/faulkner/danny.shtml

Narciso

Yes he has a very particular cadence, very measured even when it comes to emotional subjects

jim nj

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/iran-coronavirus-us-sanctions/

Iran Is Nearing Collapse Under the Strain of Covid-19
Tens of millions are reeling under an unholy trinity of pandemic, US sanctions, and government misrule.

I thought this was interesting if you discount his emphasis on US sanctions. I've lost track of how many waves of Covid Iran has gone through by now. In July I think I had counted three so they must be up to six or seven by now.

Mahan Airline with it's direct flights to Wuhan duplicated the Italian problem initially. Then Mahan kept it up far longer and then Iran had successive government-sponsored super-spreader events for religious or political events.

I remember back in April or May thinking that Iran, for many reasons, was the worst hit country in the world. I still think so. And while it might be convenient for Iran to blame US sanctions for their poor performance I really don't think that is the real problem.

Narciso

Heshmat who they tried to outright erase from the media a year and a half ago has beem following this

https://english.mojahedin.org/i/iran-coronavirus-news-185500-deaths-20201215

Narciso

Why i call him.stay puft


https://mobile.twitter.com/derekmaltz_sr/status/1341127485451362304

Narciso


Now were cooking with gas


https://mobile.twitter.com/philiptirino/status/1341071653850234881

Narciso

Iran has about 1/4 of the us population but it has 1/2 roughly of us casualties.

Narciso

83/330 vs 185,000/330,000 the first set are admitted.

Narciso


The bazaar is very complicated in that part of the world.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/en.radiofarda.com/amp/zarrab-was-not-the-only-iranian-ringleader-to-exploit-turkey-s-permissive-jurisdiction/30927963.html

jim nj

While I'm sure that the US sanctions have crippled Iran, thankyouverymuch, Iran still has foreign reserves that it could spend on medical needs, they just choose not to. They have more important things to spend their money on...Yeman, Syria, Lebanon, Iraqi militias, etc.

Narciso

Yes but they will pretend to be the orphans that killed their parents and now ask mercy, if the cigar store indian gets in, they will have awilling audiencs

jim nj

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-submarine-reportedly-crosses-suez-canal-in-message-to-iran/

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/12/21/us-navy-announces-nuclear-submarine-passage-of-strait-of-hormuz-amid-tensions-with-iran/

I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

cathyf

The Wuhan study of 10 million people where they couldn't find ANY cases of asymptomatic spread? Not believing it.

If they found 100 instances out of 10 million people I would be out there yelling that this proves that the risk is miniscule. But zero? That looks like lying.

This is a virus. Viral spread has exponential-like growth, followed by exponential tails that take a long, long time to drop all the way back to zero. Besides, the tests have false positive and false negative rates -- do 10 million tests and you'll get some even with the best of tests, and we don't have any covid tests that are "the best" -- at best they are merely adequate.

I don't know what the lie is, but they have to be lying. Maybe they killed or transported out the handful of people infected. Maybe the tests were garbage. Maybe they had some bogus definition of "asymptomatic" which means that anyone who transmitted the disease was proclaimed to be symptomatic. (Every human has at least a tiny corner of hypochondria in them and can probably be convinced that they ARE having some symptom. My nose was running earlier today in the cold and wind. Maybe my tummy was a little upset...)

The people I know here it hits entire families. A colleague that I was chatting with this morning is coming out of it. All but two people in his family had it, they were symptomatic, ranging from mild to miserable, but nothing like life-threatening. (Just like the normal flu.)

This thing is a real virus and behaves like one. That study is not describing a real virus.

jim nj

narciso,

Thanks for the Iran links. I think that Iranian dissident group, in trying to be credible, had underestimated the number of Iranian Covid deaths.

Cathyf,

Agree. I don't believe anything coming out of Iran or China.

I also have a hard time believing that Covid is now absent from the Chinese mainland. We haven't read of it in a while, but every time it re-appeared it was due to imported frozen food. How likely is that?

Spotty internet tonight. I may disappear without a nytol.

Narciso

Yes thats why i put in the caveat, yes they sealed in a whole load of people cask of amontillado style, but i dont think that stops the spread.

I mentioned terry hayes i pilgrim where a saudi trained doctor uses a strain of small pox he acquired in damascus (you dont want to here the grisly detail) and gene splices into one immune to antivirals or vaccinez.

jim nj

https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-penetration-america-part-two-opinion-1556074

Newt Gingrinch

jim nj

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/12/21/republicans_arent_bored_with_losing_yet_144891.html

Really stupid article.

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

"If they found 100 instances out of 10 million people I would be out there yelling that this proves that the risk is miniscule. But zero? That looks like lying."

Yeah, I would not be shocked to learn that study was a lie. Or garbage.

Still, isn't it the case that other research has shown that people with asymptomatic cases either don't spread or spread weakly? That the viral load they shed is much less? Throw that China study out. I'd still rather be around someone who has no symptoms than someone with.

Narciso

So what did you think of the supposed mutatio , cathy f. Reason for concern or just caution

jim nj

Iranian Mullahs, "Come kiss the venerated object in my mosque, leave a donation and you will be cured."

Narciso

Thats why i memtioned the diamond princess which might as well be the flying dutchman in all these research studies.

Narciso

Yes that was ill considered under the best circumstances

Narciso


The hot take for the night, ciao


https://mobile.twitter.com/johnstodder/status/1341221583994585088

jim nj

I'm not tired of losing yet. I don't know how this will play out in the end, but I'll never believe that Trump "lost."

narciso,

Early on they were able to do genomic analysis on the Covid virus and trace origins. That implies that there were already some minor differences in Covid strains.

jim nj

I'm going to assume that the "new" Covid strain isn't new. The genomic study of the Covid virus that sought to show the origins of the virus was dependent on finding minor variations in the virus.

Finding that minor variation in the virus allowed the scientists to note that the virus had stopped somewhere, so to speak, before moving on again.

The PCR test isn't going to notice variation. You need the genomic analysis to find the variation. The genomic analysis has to lag the PCR test.

By the time you notice and confirm a significant variation it will have been in the wild for some indeterminate time. By the time that you notice that it is "new" it isn't.

If there is a new variation of the virus with a significant difference in the UK, they haven't yet figured out if it is more lethal. Not enough time has passed yet to figure that out.

I assume that's what the panic is about.

jim nj

I've seen assertions. I haven't seen evidence yet that the "new" UK Covid strain has a higher R0.

Maybe they are right and it does. If so, is it more, or less, lethal. If the latter, no biggie. We just reach herd immunity faster. If the former, run for the hills before it gets here.

If you start to think about it the "new" variant may not have arisen in the UK. It may have come from elsewhere and was only discovered in the UK because they were looking at the possibility.

jim nj

And if you think about how the virus would morph I would be looking at the earliest countries that were infected.

It just seems odd to me that a major variation in the Covid virus would arise in the UK. I would have guessed at such a thing would come out of China, Iran or Italy.

Particularly Iran.

jim nj

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2020/12/trump-officials-deliver-plan-split-cyber-command-nsa/170913/

An end to the “dual hat” arrangement has been debated for years — but the timing raises questions. The plan requires Milley's certification to move ahead.

I wasn't aware that both the Secretary of Defense and the Joint Chief have to agree with this for it to happen. Time for a new Joint Chief?

jim nj

nytol

cathyf

Yeah, that every infectious agent evolves to be more contagious and less symptomatic over time is pretty much a law of nature. Killing your host is bad for the virus! From the virus’s point of view, the perfect virus is virulently contagious and completely asymptomatic.

The way that they trace who got the virus from whom is by sequencing it and tracing “family trees” of mutations. Early on I read a technical paper of how they trace this virus, and it mutates twice per week on average if I remember correctly.

Most important is that because of how the mRNA vaccine works it should be effective against the mutations, too.

The “new strain” in the UK isn’t really new— it was first observed in September, I think.

I’ll repeat my obligatory Sponge Bob allusion to say It’s a virus not a sea bear, people!!! (This is worth every second of the 5:29 video https://youtu.be/68h8-ESTY6o ) (and you should watch to the end to see why masks should be called anti-sea-rhinoceros underwear)

Pinandpuller

Isn’t Gavin Newsome a Terriorist?

BuffyUK

This Irish news story says Betfair has paid out to gamblers who bet on Biden.

The estimate for Trump bets is half a billion euros, so if Trump actually prevails, Betfair will have to pay out to those with Trump on their betting slip.

I'm superstitious and see this as a good sign.

https://freepress.ie/2020/12/betfairs-biden-legal-blunder-may-cost-company-half-a-billion/

anonamom

Oh, the virus has most definitely mutated, no question. It's part of "Virus gonna virus." It is just how they roll.
That evolution thing, in real time, not centuries.

The wife of one of my partners is an ER nurse, and she called it over a month ago--much more mild illness, and it is spreading more like a cold.

That is what successful viruses DO--they mutate in such a way that their carrier isn't debilitated, so they get spread more widely.
A la the common cold.
IIRC, 30% of what we call colds are corona virus infections.

And the one that is going around now is not the one from last December, when we were first seeing it.

Take your zinc, your vit D, and quercetin/HCQ/ivermectin if you want to avoid it.
Wash your hands, don't touch your face.

Robin, eff 'em all

Prepare to have your blood boiling:

https://reason.com/2020/12/21/cops-arrest-mom-school-id-crossing/

Common sense does not exist anymore.

Melinda

Riiiiggghhht.

webcoderz
@WebCoderz
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Axios @axios
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https://twitter.com/WebCoderz/status/1341236118629588992

Tom Bowler

Calculator says it estimates the number of people in line for covid vaccine ahead of you.

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/ccg/interactives/vaccine-calculator/index.html

Melinda

Fun with math::

A little vaccine goes a long way

A post on where you can slash fatality rates by focusing on certain segments of the population most at risk.

I found it, here.

peter

Can't keep up, so surreptitiously skimming at work. Re: jimmyk's 10:14 of last night about masks, I have been doing informal surveys. On the number 7 train, the el in Queens, mask usage is about 100% except for me. I get some odd looks, but no one says anything. The passenger population is about 85% Hispanic, and not particularly confrontational. There are loudspeaker announcements on the platform non-stop about mask wearing. Shocking how compliant this country has become.

In case the Presidential election gets thrown into the House of Representatives, the Vice-Presidential election gets thrown into the Senate. So Georgia's two run-offs could have an impact on the Veep. Imagine a Veep under Trump other than Pence. Imagine Harris as Veep (you'll pardon the expression) under Trump.

rse

Looks to me like bolding may be stuck.

Regardless on the media and cfr, I was on a webinar with the head of the wef-davos media group and it was talking about the necessary leadership of the media and the need for it to control what is regarded as the Truth. Eerie. And how the business models no longer work but because the needed content is necessary some way must be found to pay for it.

Then there was an expressed desire to have the woman back in 2021 to discuss the related goal of education to create a better kind of human belief system.

None of this is news to me. It's the matter-of-factness of what is a fascist belief system from people led to believe only trump is a fascist. No sense of the actual ideology.

Melinda

Off?

rse

Also, when no one would talk about wioa after it's virtually unanimous passage in 2014 or while there was insistence it was about disabilities, which is how isakson initially pushed it, cfr, via its blog, was alone in the media in writing about it.

It's the lynchpin of the ESG vision now.

Also, cfr, like brookings, was founded with rockefeller funding. They were very explicit in their anniversary publication of their centennial in 2013.

Jane

Good Morning!

Clearly Florida has turned to Alaska. I need socks! Jib is it cold over there? My niece and family are spending Christmas in Palm Beach. I don’t want them to freeze!

Wonder what will happen today. One last pre-Christmas trip to the store, and the delivering My Christmas cheese, and then whatever Kiwi demands. Plenty of time for good news!

lurkersusie

Only 6 voted No

Alex Salvi
@alexsalvinews
· 5h
Senators who voted against the COVID relief package (92-6 vote):

Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee
Rand Paul of Kentucky
Rick Scott of Florida
Ron Johnson of Wisconsin
Mike Lee of Utah
Ted Cruz of Texas.

Narciso

And they got 4 billion dollars for thr transit authority, how much did the hospitals get sarc.

Narciso

Yes its likely the senate wont be fully seated by that day.

Narciso


Lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/alimhaider/status/1341248653349040129

Narciso

In a dark humorous way.

Narciso


They dont understand or pretending not to?

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/421478/#disqus_thread

Narciso


We're in agreement then:


https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1341380796976918528

Melinda

Well, this is comforting:

Lin Wood
@LLinWood
An analysis of CCP’s intentions without potential for Covid-19.

Chilling by we must face the TRUTH.

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1341213298256130049

KevlarKid

Narciso--- you have lit crit email from Teh Kev.😏🍟🐧

henry

@jayweber3

FYI...All five Wisconsin House Republicans, and Senator Ron Johnson, voted against a COVID relief package that was paired with a glut of unnecessary spending and passed before anyone could read the 5,600 page bill.

KevlarKid

Congressional largesse....we lost the Republic long ago just as Benji Franks foreshadowed over 2 centuries ago.

We're heading for Zimbabwean heights.

KevlarKid

How much of that foreign spending lines the pockets of our saintly class of "career dips" over at State?

Those line items in a COVID relief bill stand out like tits on a boar.

Narciso

Thanks for the review, thats was my first draft.

Melinda

Coincidence.

2nd largest plant producing HCQ explodes in Taiwan

President-Elect Jim,SunnyvaleCA

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pork-city-here-are-most-ridiculous-pet-projects-900-billion-spending-package

Family members of unauthorized immigrants are now eligible to get stimulus checks under the $900 billion deal reached last night. That eligibility is retroactive, so adults excluded last time could get up to $1800 now

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