Waiting For The Defense Bill Veto

Will he or won't he, and when? Trump promised to veto the defense bill but has until Dec 23 to do so. Congress will be home for the holidays but might come back before New Years. Or they might assemble the old Congress and the new one on Jan 3 and let the outgoers override the veto in the morning. Whether elderly retirees will agree to make the trip during a pandemic compounds the suspense.

Trump's rationales include Section 230 modifications to go after Facebook and Twitter and non-renaming of the military bases named for Confederate traitors generals. Some of those names were picked for new WWI bases under Lost Causer Woodrow Wilson. Others were named under FDR. In each case, promoting the US Army to martial Southern white boys was a marketing strategy that is now past the sell-by date. [Full disclosure - On this issue I channel the ghosts of my New England ancestors on this, some of whom died fighting for the Right Side.]

From Politico quoting Trump's tweet:

"I will Veto the Defense Bill, which will make China very unhappy. They love it," Trump tweeted. "Must have Section 230 termination, protect our National Monuments and allow for removal of military from far away, and very unappreciative, lands. Thank you!"

 

Comments

[CCGirl]

Yes, Miss M, I was surprised to see the photo. My first reaction is that is a photo of an actor playing the part of a soldier. But maybe I have watched too many movies, and all the bad ass soldiers with beards are beginning to look alike. I thought it interesting when he said “stuff,” but then thought that if he’s a soldier and not a politician he may have been at a loss of words (and I don’t mean that in a condescending way). Overall my impression is that the Sec of Def was pleased with our VP for treating him nicely and helping to guide him through the “politics” of Washington. I bet he has always been dismissed as a dummy “soldier” by most of the DC elite/corrupt crowd.

[lyle]

Glen Campbell was a monster music talent. Monster.

[MissMarple2]

clarice,

You can think he's BS or not. I have no personal interest.

What DID get my attention was the video today BECAUSE of the video he embedded in his at the 2:50 mark with Miller thanking Pence, talking about how they had been involved in a complex military operation, and thanking Pence for being his mentor.

Pence was my governor and is a prominent evangelical conservative. I was gobsmacked when Trump named him as his running mate and that he accepted. That right there should have made me realize that there is more than meets the eye going on.

I have also paid attention to some of the other cabinet people who have stuck around who don't seem to be people of typical DC politics, like Mnuchin and Navarro. They seem to be pretty loyal, given that they could just resign and live on the millions they had accumulated BEFORE entering government.

[CCGirl]

Well thanks Lyle. I listened to great music all afternoon. So to give you a bit of crap I tried to link a Bread video here. For some reason the post disappeared twice. So now I am stuck with, “Baby I’a want you, baby I’a need you.”😩

But then thanks to KK, some “Water of Love” creeps back into this brain that is all over the place these days!

[joan]

Thanks, lyle, 7:10.

:)

[clarice]

IF THE SUGGESTION IS THAT THE "COMPLEX MILITARY OPERATION"INVOLVES MARTIAL LAW IT'S 100% BUNK.

[joan]

Ah, that's a good one, CH, at 7:19.

Love Campbell's music. Warnier, too. Also, like Brad Paisley.

I just cast youtube to the tv and we've been watching and listening to Christmas music. Old fashioned, Nat King Cole, Perry Como, Carpenters. Nice music. I just played Alan Jackson's 'Let It Be Christmas' for my husband. He wasn't familiar with it. It's such a sweetly, simple song. Homey, comforting melody. :)

Bye for now. (I woke up at 3 this morning, couldn't sleep. Hope I don't do that again.)

[MissMarple2]

clarice,

Where did you read "martial law" or hear it in Miller's thanks to Pence? Neither said anything about it.

[Narciso]

Fwiw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qwwnQEGdtlg

[clarice]

THAT;S THE BUZZ GOING ROUND AND THAT VAGUE STATEMENT MIGHT FUEL IT.

[Captain Hate]

Glen Campbell was a monster music talent. Monster.

That's what my music buds told me after I'd slept through his trainwreck Rhinestone Cowboy period. I said "really? I thought he mostly a good singer of Webb's songs." They said "sit down, son; you got some serious catching up to do."

In my defense, I did the same thing to them with Richard Thompson.

[lyle]

Joan, FTR, I would feel very comfortable giving ANY of my many wine snob friends a bottle of Tignanello. Srsly.

[Captain Hate]

Can you stop yelling, clarice?

[lyle]

In my defense, I did the same thing to them with Richard Thompson

Good one.

[CCGirl]

MissM, I too respect the loyalty of those who you mentioned. Pence and Miller, and their ilk, are true patriots. They could leave and live a comfortable life, but they actually have a conscience, and believe in the Constitution and such. So sad that there are so few. In the end, I am not holding my breath for any Trump miracles.

I read an article the other day, linked from Powerline. It’s not listed there today, and I wished I had linked it. The writer said we should all stay healthy and stay in shape. We should teach our kids at home, and meet up with friends, and make sure we had a network of in-person friends, who can help if needed. It was a bit depressing, bit one the more realistic opinion pieces I have seen. (And keep our old books, because the older books hold the truth)

[MissMarple2]

clarice,

I fail to see why I should give the "buzz" going around as any sort of reliable source.

Also, I have noticed that to a certain group of people ANYTHING could be "fuel" for any sort of rumor.

I absolutely don't give a hoot.

[lyle]

Oh, and my wife said the ‘16 was around a C-note at Costco, Joan. Bargain.

[Jim Eagle]

Off to bed to lurk and watch the rest of Bills at Denver.

[jimmyk]

“Who could forget Walk Away Renee?”

It was covered so many times I’d forgotten who did it first. New Neo had a post about them and the song last week.

[lyle]

Go Gators!

(I really don’t care. All I want is maximum chaos. So hate me if you want. 😬)

[lyle]

Gotta love the plexiglass partition between the dudes in live shot calling the SEC game. Commie flu theater knows no bounds.

[joan]

Tignanello, got it. Thanks.

:)

Re Glen Campbell, I know I've told you guys, but we went to one of his concerts at Royal Albert Hall, had seats at edge of stage -- he saw our little girl (long time ago), blonde, pretty -- and came over, knelt by her, and sang half of the song to her. It was such a moment. :)

She already could sing a few of his songs. He asked her a few questions after the song finished, and he was gobsmacked that he'd chosen an American. He started by asking, 'where are you from?' and she said, "South Care-k-ko-lina, he chuckled, then said, I can't believe it."

Good memory.

[Manuel Transmission]

Well this may be Neo’d, but I never saw a TWIP link:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/12/the-week-in-pictures-doctor-who-edition.php

[clarice]

MT, I FINALLY DUMPED THE FISHER-PAYKEL FRIDGE TODAY. I think you said you were having trouble with it, too. went with a good solid Maytag. The F-P was getting impossible to clean and the ice maker was always troublesome. The veggie and fruit drawers were horrible. Kicked it to the curb.

[CCGirl]

Joan, sweet story!

[jim nj]

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/12/new-jersey-new-york-hide-full-details-of-virus-spending.html

Every state except New York and New Jersey responded to AP’s public records request by providing a detailed breakdown of the spending and suppliers.

[CCGirl]

Woah, what time is it?

[Manuel Transmission]

Good move, Clarice. The dish drawers are mostly holding up, but I’ve had to tweak them a couple times.

Re Glen Campbell, I’ve mentioned it before, but I have a low $ 12 String album I prolly bought in 63. No artist noted. Once I learned about the Wrecking Crew, I figured Glen twisted someone’s arm to let him burn it. It is obviously his work.

[Jane]

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/12/the-week-in-pictures-doctor-who-edition.php

Don’t know it this was posted earlier, but it’s a good one

[Jane]

Joan,

Very cool memory!

[Jane]

Lol ManTran,

We are on the same page at the same time. I blame Jim in Sunnyvale.

[Captain Hate]

Once I learned about the Wrecking Crew, I figured Glen twisted someone’s arm to let him burn it. It is obviously his work.

It says a lot that every member of the Wrecking Crew were happy for Glen's success.

[Captain Hate]

Sláinte

[MissMarple2]

Sorry I missed getting this up earlier.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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25m
Watch @RealPNavarro
NOW on the Election Fraud. @JesseBWatters
@FoxNews

[jim nj]

https://uk.reuters.com/article/iraq-currency/update-2-iraq-devalues-dinar-as-oil-prices-squeeze-revenue-idUKL1N2IZ0BE

~23% devaluation

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Who could forget Walk Away Renee?--

Good tune but I always loved the slightly dissonant Pretty Ballerina.

On The Hollies I put Look Through Any Window at the top followed closely by Carrie Anne as my two faves.

And have to say our subjective tastes diverge severely on The Turtles. :)

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--iraq-devalues-dinar--

Well, that's going to put a dent in the scamsters...or maybe they'll tell people to buy now, it's never been cheaper.

[MissMarple2]

“While Americans suffered financially under the rise of China, The Bidens got rich. Let’s see if brave prosecutors hold them accountable…or if powerful interests shut it down to keep the money to ‘the big guys’ rolling in.” #WattersWords pic.twitter.com/QjryHXaEQV

— Watters' World (@WattersWorld) December 20, 2020

Video at the link. 6:41. This is NOT the Navarro interview.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I found this 14 minutes of French rouge necks trying to climb Montee Impossible in their highly modified, giant spiked tire dirt bikes strangely compelling.

[MissMarple2]

From a guy I follow on Twitter. HA!

[Narciso]

What do you think

https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1340454727239217155

[Narciso]

Its not an ipa but still:

https://www.totalwine.com/spirits/rum/spiced-rum/jonahs-curse-black-spiced-rum/p/150301750

[DrJ]

My listening today is different than those here. From the late afternoon: Bach Goldberg Variations (Gould), Moussorgsky Pictures at an Exhibition (Janis), Beethoven/Liszt Eroica Symphony (Katsaris).

Glenn Campbell? Only if MrsJ has the clicker. :)

[Captain Hate]

--iraq-devalues-dinar--

Brennan's tiny balls must be aching.

This is haram for that fuck nugget

[Narciso]

Then theres this

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18953301.lockerbie-appeal-lawyer-raises-questions-timing-us-suspect-announcement/

[henry]

I went with local brew.

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/741/40416/

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

To my ear someone saying they have THE Covid sounds stupid.

So, my question; why do we have A cold, catch THE flu and come down with NO MODIFIER Covid?
Nobody ever has THE cold or A flu but they can have either THE chicken pox or just plain chicken pox but I've never heard of anyone having THE small pox.

The rhyme and reason seem wanting.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

This Steve Schmuck tweet only aged four months and yet it's already rancid. Right click;

[Narciso]

Dr evil needs to be fed to the sharks witj or eithout laser beams

[jim nj]

Dagnabbit

https://tinyurl.com/ydd92rqu

Kimberly Stassel interview of Bill Barr.

[Captain Hate]

Henry,

Those two are local for me. My fellow Beer Advocate sots are having a Holiday Beers online tasting.

[Narciso]

The frigidaire rfrigerator which is only 4 years old weve had to replace the door handle twice, that never happened with any other appliance.

[Narciso]

What a (redacted)

https://mobile.twitter.com/jhaskinscabrera/status/1340407867829088256

[henry]

They look tasty, CH.

[James D.]

JimNj & 9:30

What an absolute load of garbage Barr turned out to be.

[Narciso]

But of course

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/12/18/are-there-anti-semitic-tropes-in-obamas-memoir-n1219881

[Narciso]

Heres an interesting historical note:

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archives/2018/02/27/2003688328

[henry]

Jim_nj, a swampy player of the pipes.

[Narciso]

They have a long standing rivalry

When Taiwan was China’s (for seven years)
Yes, the nation was once a province of China, but that’s before the Qing Dynasty in 1895 ceded it and the Penghu in perpetuity to Japan

[Narciso]

This is yglesias and christian slaters alma mater

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/racism-the-dalton-school-gang-shoots-itself/

[Narciso]

The long arm of the dragon

https://mobile.twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1340304838043824128

[Buckeye]

We decided to buy KitchenAid to replace the worn out junk that got tossed in the remodel.

Mostly because of good reports from friends.

While so far they all (wall oven, fridge, dishwasher) work very well, they all “feel” cheap and unsubstantial, but then they all do these days.

Whole world has become disposable.

[Narciso]

Of course sarkozy sounds as much hungarian as greek to my ear.

[MissMarple2]

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/nation-world/lean-cuisine-baked-chicken-recall/507-39b56508-4d05-4d5e-b1b8-3c0ecca25208

Lean Cuisine baked chicken and mashed potatoes recall due to plastic pieces from a broken conveyor belt.

[Narciso]

The problem is there isnt onr atandard for justice, nearly every trump nominee gets slagged with process crimes and dems most always skate on any charge

[MissMarple2]

Dan Scavino
Flag of United States
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@DanScavino

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Tweeted this evening at 9:42 PM. ----MM

[MissMarple2]

Don Purser
Flag of United States
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@DGPurser
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37m
I like what Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin had to say to Joe Biden in 1982.

I'd say much the same to Biden (plus much more) if I had the chance to tell him what I thought!!

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Pleased to see a commercial in the SEC championship game of Hershel endorsing Loefler and Purdue. Someone at the RNC had their thinking cap on.

[jim nj]

https://hughhewitt.com/pandemic-politics-revealed/

John Schroeder

A coalition of labor unions are agitating for a complete and total shutdown in Los Angeles County for all of January.

[Captain Hate]

The inability of the GOP to ever deal effectively with an obvious blowhard dickweed like Sundown is why the nation is fucked unless DJT has an RG predicted escape plan. It really comes down to that.

[Narciso]

Some background to a favorite series

https://youtu.be/_Iwea41ua0Y

[MissMarple2]

Joseph Gavrich
@JoeGavrich
·
4h
“REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.” @ChanelRion
@OANN

[henry]

An apropos KJOM for the ledge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A4xBp2rizQ

[jim nj]

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/12/18/china-suffering-mass-blackouts-following-aussie-coal-embargo/

That will teach the Aussies.

The sub-links add more info. Note the heating restrictions.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Xi has that common tyrant surfeit of ambition and haughtiness that leads to fighting battle after battle, many of which they win, until they lose the war.

[CCGirl]

CH, What does RG mean? Thanks

[Captain Hate]

CCgirl,

Rattler Gator

[Narciso]

Well korean coal will fill in, um never mind.

[jim nj]

Iggy,

I thought the 21 and 31 days supply of coal in China a little iffy when you consider that heat can only be turned on when the temperature goes below 3 degrees Centigrade. That's 37.4 Fahrenheit. I'd shoot my apartment super at anything below 60.

[henry]

Narciso, Xi will burn Uighurs first.

[CCGirl]

CH, Thanks. I thought about it after I posted the question, and I could only come up with RG. So, yes. If there is no 4D chess plan we are screwed. I have pretty much accepted that scenario will be the case. I love DJT, but I don’t see any signals that we are going anywhere. So I am preparing for a lean and mean future. And everything could possibly be more lean and more extreme. I hope we don’t reach that point, but that’s wishful thinking.

[Narciso]

Thatd probably too far from the truth, the chinese regard east turkestan much likr russians regard chechnya.

[Captain Hate]

I love DJT, but I don’t see any signals that we are going anywhere. So I am preparing for a lean and mean future. And everything could possibly be more lean and more extreme. I hope we don’t reach that point, but that’s wishful thinking.

Don't give in to despair. I did in 2012 when that fuckhead Romney was defeated, not realizing that was the best thing that could have happened. We will prevail, whether under DJT or someone different.

[MissMarple2]

Posted by Dan Scavino at 9:46 this evening (December 19):

[Narciso]

That only surprises the times

https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1340390046327844864

[CCGirl]

Thanks CH, I am not giving into despair. I’m just preparing for years of disappointment. I too remember feeling so sad that Romney lost. And then he lost his shit. I think running for president injures people. If they lose it’s crazy personal, and they lose their minds. At least that’s the case in the last two races. Prior to that, it was mostly normal.

[Narciso]

I dont think romney had goodwill to us, at least around 2011, maybe before but he denounced reagan in 94, to little avail and ted kennedy brought the sledge hammer on him.

[Captain Hate]

Xi will burn Uighurs first.

Is there a more convincing example of the uselessness of the UN than Chinese religious concentration camps that exist with nary a peep of protest?

[MissMarple2]

pic.twitter.com/nosN75WVxt

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 20, 2020

Video at link. Navarro interview on Watters' World. Over seven minutes.

[henry]

CH, the NBA?

[Captain Hate]

I too remember feeling so sad that Romney lost. And then he lost his shit.

Romney wasn't a real candidate; more like a stick figure to gull the marks. The GOP overplayed their hand with that shithead, thinking that people like me would just say "oh well, we gave it our best shot". Fuck that; I know when I'm played and you assholes have just crapped out. There's no going back. It's either Trump somebody you like even less. What is it, dickweeds?

[Captain Hate]

CH, the NBA?

LOL. Nosferaratu has to be shitting bricks.

[henry]

CH, it’s gonna be John Wick.

[Narciso]

This was the character i mentioned some weks ago

https://www.americahousekyiv.org/ah-blog/2019/10/23/yuriy-kondratyuk-a-ukrainian-mathematician-ahead-of-his-time

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Donald J. Trump

7 mins ·
As badly as we were treated in Georgia by the “Republican” Governor and “Republican” Secretary of State, we must have a massive victory for two great people, Kelly Loeffler & David Perdue, on January 5th. I will be having a big Rally for them on Monday night, January 4th. WIN!

[Narciso]

You know when i first saw that film, i think on one of hbos free previews o said winning the future, but the sequel grew on me.

[henry]

Narciso, I’m not a Keanu fan. That series with the break from the “swamp” hits home.

[jim nj]

Back when I lived in a garden apartment complex in Leonia, NJ, I used to battle the super every year about the heat. It was six buildings with twelve apartments each. All fired by one boiler. The heat was great. I didn't even have to turn the radiators on. The standpipe that ran up to the radiator valve was enough to heat all four rooms until..

The first cold snap. I was at the end of the run, last building, furthest from the boiler. All those people closer to the boiler that left their windows open a little and kept their radiators off would reverse the process. They'd close the windows, turn on some radiators and it would progressively work it's way through all the buildings with tenants adding more and more radiators to the system as the available heat became less and less.

It always boggled my mind that I was talking to a guy required to have either a Blue or Black Seal License to operate the boiler trying to explain that a boiler set to service 0 radiators wasn't the same as one now servicing 72, 144, 216, 266 or some odd combination of radiators added overnight. He just couldn't grasp the concept. "I'll call the repair guys."

Every cold snap.

[henry]

@realdonaldtrump

Martial law = Fake News. Just more knowingly bad reporting!