Waiting For The Defense Bill Veto

Will he or won't he, and when? Trump promised to veto the defense bill but has until Dec 23 to do so. Congress will be home for the holidays but might come back before New Years. Or they might assemble the old Congress and the new one on Jan 3 and let the outgoers override the veto in the morning. Whether elderly retirees will agree to make the trip during a pandemic compounds the suspense.

Trump's rationales include Section 230 modifications to go after Facebook and Twitter and non-renaming of the military bases named for Confederate traitors generals. Some of those names were picked for new WWI bases under Lost Causer Woodrow Wilson. Others were named under FDR. In each case, promoting the US Army to martial Southern white boys was a marketing strategy that is now past the sell-by date. [Full disclosure - On this issue I channel the ghosts of my New England ancestors on this, some of whom died fighting for the Right Side.]

From Politico quoting Trump's tweet:

"I will Veto the Defense Bill, which will make China very unhappy. They love it," Trump tweeted. "Must have Section 230 termination, protect our National Monuments and allow for removal of military from far away, and very unappreciative, lands. Thank you!"

 

Comments

[lyle]

Still is in OR.

[Captain Hate]

promoting the US Army to martial Southern white boys was a marketing strategy that is now past the sell-by date.

Martial isn't a verb

[Jim Eagle]

Cap,

It may Gomer Pyle famous:)

[Jane]

Beautiful day here! I think that tough tough winter is over. (Hope). 73 on the lanai which kiwi has been on all day. I leave the door open when I go in to get stuff done so she relaxes. I swear she would live out here in 50 degrees.

(I know, I’m boring)

And bored. Any good sports on TV?

[Pinandpuller]

One of the reasons the North won is because it imported a huge amount of Germans, many who happened to be Marxists. Which infiltrated the government and academia and laid the groundwork for the importation and infiltration of more European and Asian Marxists and communists which now run the whole damn show.

So I ask you again,”DO YOU FEEL LIKE A WINNER?”

[Jane]

Trump is having a protest in DC on Jan 6th. Wish I could go!

[MissMarple2]

https://nypost.com/2020/12/19/caroline-biden-gets-no-jail-time-after-dui-guilty-plea/

[hrtshpdbox]

Martial isn't a verb

Some people don't know about the marshal plan.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Ugh, yuck, meh, and I liked the Nelson Riddle standards. Tastes vary! :)--

Concur, the Hollies had some decent tunes.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Speaking of Hollies; my 68 Charger had an 1150 Holly double pumper on an Edelbrock with Hooker headers. Was a 383 but felt about equivalent to a stock 440.

[MissMarple2]

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
·
3h
It's been 11 days since Eric Swalwell was outed as compromised by the CCP

How does he still have a seat on the House Intelligence Commitee with access to America's most sensitive information?
===========================
I think this is a reasonable question Charlie is asking. ---MM

[jimmyk]

Martial isn't a verb

I read "martial" as an adjective in that sentence, though that may not have been what TM meant. Kind of like Dr Jill's "undeserved": It works.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--promoting the US Army to martial Southern white boys was a marketing strategy that is now past the sell-by date.--

--Martial isn't a verb.--

It's possible he meant Southern lads inclined to martial pursuits but I think he meant marshal.

[jimmyk]

Any good sports on TV?

Is the Big 10 championship still on? Northwestern vs some other team I can't remember :).

[Marlene]

Good afternoon! Yes Jane, it is a beautiful day! I spent time on the lanai reading. See you tomorrow!

[jimmyk]

Very disappointed in BoJo's UK lockdown.

I'm increasingly seeing the lockdowns as a 20th century version of human sacrifice to appease the gods. Probably equally effective.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Very disappointed in BoJo's UK lockdown.--

Other than Brexit his policies are about the same as our dumbass Dems.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Jane, Tiger and his son are playing in a golf tournament. On now. The kid is good....

[Pinandpuller]

The so called Union beat every Indian nation far and away worse than they beat the South, yet every Indian nation has far more sovereignty than Alabama and even our effeminate government is afraid to rename their stuff.

Ball teams don’t count.

[Pinandpuller]

Did you guys know there was a county in NY that was Confederate until 1983 I think it was?

[MissMarple2]

Another version of restless natives, this from the Shasta area, California. Video at the link, a little over 2 minutes:

🚨This is a warning 🚨
“We are law abiding citizens, but we won’t be peaceful much longer. We will work with or without law enforcement. Our children are starving...”pic.twitter.com/3sFt02Hn6w

— Dr. Carrie is Fighting Like a Flynn (@carrieksada) December 19, 2020

[hrtshpdbox]

Concur, the Hollies had some decent tunes.

They did, and there's a youtube floating around of long-ago Nash & Crosby doing some acoustic stuff live, and it's surprisingly good.

[MissMarple2]

Interesting column by a guy who says he's a Generation Xer:

https://conservativehardliner.com/its-clear-what-president-trump-will-do-enemy-serious-trouble

Within it, this screen cap which also is interesting:

https://conservativehardliner.com/sites/default/files/12_17-min.png

[peter]

Slainte
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/52867/393493/

[Threadkiller]

Right back at ya, Peter!

https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/447/1331/

[henry]

Peter, the reviews on that look good. How do you like it?

[peter]

It's delicious. Blindfolded, you'd never know it was low alcohol. I mix it with regular stouts pace myself.

[Jim Eagle]

Oh, MM, its happening, not at warp speed but it is growing.

I have no idea what the objective or subjective is but someone is worried enough. Watch Barksdale AFB and Minot AFB activity.

[Jim Eagle]

One covers the southern sphere the other the northern sphere. Not nescessarily the Buffers.

[MissMarple2]

Jack,

I don't know a lot of military lingo. What are the Buffers?

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Big Ugly Fat Fuckers - C5 or C130??? I get them confused...

[Jane]

Steph, what channel

[Pinandpuller]

Seeing as how an excise tax on whiskey was established by a White Christian Heterosexual Slaveowner, it must be abolished.

[Pinandpuller]

Buffers

*See Godfather II

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Golf Channel. They are about to rerun day 1.

[Davod]

B52 bomber.

http://airwingmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/b52-x51-blue-sky.jpg

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

I thought it was the cargo planes? The really big one???

[clarice]

doubt that, MM. didn't you tweet a while ago that Trump said the solar winds attack was less seriou a national security problem than the media is painting?

[Jane]

Thanks Steph - I just went nuts trying to find it. I heard Tiger’s son made his first Eagle! How cool. I’ve never made an eagle!

[James D.]

It's possible he meant Southern lads inclined to martial pursuits but I think he meant marshal.

I think he meant it exactly that way, Ig, and I’m pretty sure it’s grammatically correct the way he phrased it.

Full of crap in every other respect, but grammatically correct.

[Dave (in MA)]

Maybe he meant marital and he was dictating to Doctor Jill.

[henry]

The Galaxy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-5_Galaxy

On my “boss ride” from the WI ANG refueling wing to Bragg (the back), the WI aircraft parked next to a C 5 on the apron at Pope Field. Plan was to refuel it as a training exercise on the return leg. Our pilot said refueling something that big was tricky... it had a huge bow wave of air he had to compensate for arriving and departing. Sadly, the C 5 got called off on a different mission. Would have been fun to observe the refueling from over the refueling airman’s shoulder. (They let us take pics of the WI ANG F16s they refueled on the way to Bragg).

[Jim Eagle]

Buffers (Big Ugly Fat Fuckers) was my ride in the AF. 2 years of absolute magic and fun even though most sorties were 13 hours of sitting in a stiff seat. Landing on snow and ice is a heart in mouth experience.

Thank you Boeing for designing trip-cycle landing gear:)

sbw has one parked in his town ala Griffis AFB. Mine ran out of K.I.
Sawyer AFB in Gwinn,MI just outside Marquette in the UP;

[Jane]

Marlene,

See you guys and Scout tomorrow! Can’t wait!

[Jim Eagle]

..tri-cycle...

[Davod]

All I want for Christmas-from ACE

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/IMG_2094.jpg

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--..tri-cycle...--

Quadricycle I believe.
Unless you count the two outriggers then it's what septicycle?

[MissMarple2]

clarice,

Here is President Trump's exact tweet:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
6h
The Cyber Hack is far greater in the Fake News Media than in actuality. I have been fully briefed and everything is well under control. Russia, Russia, Russia is the priority chant when anything happens because Lamestream is, for mostly financial reasons, petrified of....

...discussing the possibility that it may be China (it may!). There could also have been a hit on our ridiculous voting machines during the election, which is now obvious that I won big, making it an even more corrupted embarrassment for the USA. @DNI_Ratcliffe @SecPompeo
===========================================
I post what is written. Does he mean the media is exaggerating, OR that the media has been hacked far more than other entities? I have no idea.

[Captain Hate]

It's possible he meant Southern lads inclined to martial pursuits but I think he meant marshal.

This is correct and the rest of you are wrong, at least the ones who have ventured an opinion different than mine. Catsmeat can be the tie breaker as long as she agrees with me.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Nice video of a B-52 taking off in a crosswind using its crabbing landing gear.

[CCGirl]

Oldest stopped by with her roommate from college. So fun. Roommate is from NY, and I gave her a hug. To illegal actions, I suppose! Screw em - I am visiting and hugging!

[joan]

There's an interesting little bit of a grammar post commenting that the English language isn't what it use to be (blamed partly on Journalism schools) at michelles mirror, plus some gorgeous flowers, and farther down a post on Assange and Snowden:

"The English Teacher Steps Out"

• An Oxford comma walks into a bar, where it spends the evening watching the television, getting drunk, and smoking cigars.

• A dangling participle walks into a bar. Enjoying a cocktail and chatting with the bartender, the evening passes pleasantly.

• A bar was walked into by the passive voice

http://www.michellesmirror.com/

Heroes and Villains:

Julian Assange. The left loved him when he was leaking stuff that made Bush look bad, but when he leaked stuff making Hillary look compromised be became a tool of Putin and Trump.

Did we have a right to know that our government was, as we suspected, spying on us? Yes. Snowden’s unwise, naïve, illegal…and dangerous method of revealing this information has made him a goat and a fugitive. Even so, knowing what I know now about the corruption enmeshed at every level of government, would I forgive him? Yeah, I just might.

[Threadkiller]

J.B. White
@RattlerGator
·
7h
Getting on the road for Georgia but am more convinced Bill Barr has teed up a Nuclear Bomb to drop before Christmas.

And his "resignation" letter has drawn the attention of the world to the timeframe of next week's workdays before Christmas.

Hmmmmmmmm . . . .

[joan]

Read a few comments and smile at the political cartoons at the grammar post.

[jimmyk]

What, am I killfiled by everyone? I beat Iggy on "martial" by one minute and everyone's quoting him. :)

[Captain Hate]

the Hollies had some decent tunes.

I'm Alive
Look Through Any Window
I Can't Let Go
Bus Stop
Long Cool Woman in a Black Dress
King Midas in Reverse
Stop Stop Stop

[CCGirl]

Jeepers - rwo. Not to

[lyle]

RG, puh-leeze. Barr ain’t doin’ a thing.

[Old Lurker]

Since RG has never been right about a single thing he predicted, at least now we have only one week to wait for Barr's nuclear bomb and then even he might realize he has been schnookered all along.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Hrtsphdbox beat you by 7 jimmy. :)

[CCGirl]

Or TWO. 😅

I never turned off Pandora, so MK radio has been playing all afternoon and evening. That and a few bourbons will calm anyone’s anxiety. The most recent song was, “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.” I feel that’s a song one can not stop listening to. It’s so beautiful and painful at the same time.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Pretty funny. Right click for the whole thing;

[MissMarple2]

Wictor is the only one I know who caught this amazing comment of Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller today at the one-year anniversary of the creation of Space Force.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqDCwd4Q3Xg&feature=emb_logo

I suggest watching (reading) the entire thing. What this proves to me is that I am right about not knowing what is going on behind the scenes AT ALL.

[lyle]

The wife braved Costco this morning. Plenty of TP apparently. She thinks the commie mayor is getting all butthurt about not getting enough lockdown press like all the west coast mayors. So far, the guv is holding firm on no statewide lockdown. So far...

[Captain Hate]

When I look at my Hollies list only the first three strike me as *really really* good. You know who had a lot of top notch singles? The Turtles and I think Happy Together is pretty sappy. It Ain't Me Babe, You Baby, Can I Get To Know You Better, Outside Chance, She'd Rather Be With Me; every one deserves to be played at eleven.

[lyle]

In interesting weather news, we’re supposed to hit 55F on Monday. Woo hoo!

[joan]

BuffyUK: I thought of you as I was reading this short interview. I read all of Jilly Cooper's books when I was in the UK. They're light reading, silly, but fun. I especially liked her books set in the horse world. Rupert Campbell-Black was a bit of a scoundrel -- enjoyed those Rutshire Chronicles series. (As I said, light but sometimes it's nice not to read about serial killers.)

I like Mick Herron's books (well, some of them). Really liked Down Cemetery Road.

Also like Stephen Booth, Peter Robinson, Mark Billingham, Mo Hayder, Kate Atkinson (Jackson Brodie), Minette Walters, Nicci French. Val Dermid. Lynda LaPlante. So many more. :)

Interview:

https://www.theenglishhome.co.uk/jilly-cooper/

[lyle]

Anyone starts listing Bread’s greatest hits and I’m OUTTA HEAH! 😉

[Captain Hate]

As much chance as The Association, lyle.

[CCGirl]

MissM, there is a video, and a link to a video. Not sure I have the patience for either. Which video, and at what point in it did you see something significant? Thanks

[lyle]

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/12/19/drug-overdoses-skyrocket-amid-coronavirus-lockdowns-n2581848

After declining in the previous year, drug overdose deaths in the United States rose 18 percent in the 12-month period beginning Jun. 2019 and ending May 2020. According to the CDC, drug overdose deaths were already on the rise in 2019 but accelerated during the early months of the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic.

A new CDC report reveals that approximately 81,230 people fatally overdosed in the United States during the 12-month period. It's the largest number of drug overdoses for a one-year period ever recorded.

Just remember: we’re all in this together, comrades. Wait, are you still not feeling better? Wait til you see HeelsUp’s Five Year Plan...

[lyle]

Dear You Know The Thing, CH. NO!

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

The Archies ok?
What about the Osmonds?

/ducks

[cathyf]

THOSE lives don't matter, Lyle...

[henry]

Lyle,

Stale
toast
crumbs

Did I miss any?

[Captain Hate]

Every one of those OD deaths should be carved in Fauci's forehead, and DeWine's when you run out of space, Newsome, Cuomo (both), DeBlasio and that mentally ill freak health director of Pa.

[joan]

Lyle, don't hate me:

(David Gates and Glen Campbell medley)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox2GU0-R6eY&ab_channel=Laserdisc70

BY THE WAY BEFORE YOU SKIP ON BY I HAVE A QUESTION:

What was the wine you and Jack, I think, had the discussion about a few weeks ago? It was around $200 a bottle. I wanted to send my arrogant son a bottle -- we've already sent him and his wife some steaks for Christmas.

Thank you.

[MissMarple2]

ccgirl,

THIS is the Wictor video (5:43).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqDCwd4Q3Xg

At the end is the comment by Chris Miller, who talks about the US being involved in the most complex military operation ever and thanks Pence for being his mentor.

It begins at 2:50.

[Jane]

Lyle,

Italian
Raisin,
Croissant...

[jimmyk]

I’ll admit I have a bit of a soft spot for the Association. Never My Love?

Anyone remember the Left Banke?

[joan]

Re the overdose deaths, we also need a nationwide tally of increased youth suicides. Our local newspaper, now totally printing USA Today crap, wouldn't print my letter to the editor about our school administration sacrificing children for 'empty hospital beds for adults' -- our paper has gone so far left in the past year or so.

asshoes.

[James D.]

CH @ 6:42

You might enjoy a book by Bill Fitzhugh called “Radio Activity”.

I think you’d get a kick out of the debates over what exactly constitutes “classic rock”

https://www.amazon.com/Radio-Activity-Fitzhugh-Bill/dp/B00073HHBA/ref=nodl_

[Captain Hate]

Who could forget Walk Away Renee?

[joan]

TK: I was thinking about you this morning and the post you made several weeks ago about a breakfast you've created. Was it tamales and eggs? I have gone on an oatmeal regimen and was wishing for a bowl of chili. My cholesterol had exploded from normal to around 300 or something this past year. Weird.

[Threadkiller]

At the end is the comment by Chris Miller, who talks about the US being involved in the most complex military operation ever and thanks Pence for being his mentor.

My guess, without having watched the video(which I will), is that Trump’s constantly stating that he is a “wartime president” because of the massive undertaking of using the US Forces to martial against the “invisible enemy,” Miller is referring to that and thanking Pence for being the chosen leader on the battlefield.

[hrtshpdbox]

"You Showed Me", CH, another good Turtles track.

[Captain Hate]

Is it as good as High Fidelity, Dave? From your time at WRUW you probably know some of the dweebs that I do like Wade the mental case. Did you ever go to Wax Stacks?

[Threadkiller]

Tamales and eggs indeed, Joan. Absolutely delicious!

[lyle]

Jack and I don’t talk wine anymore, Joan. He only drinks French whereas I have a taste for wines of many countries and appellations within. If memory serves, the last bottle I was talking about here was Antinori Tignanello. The wife said she saw some ‘16 at Costco today.

[MJW]

I suggest watching (reading) the entire thing. What this proves to me is that I am right about not knowing what is going on behind the scenes AT ALL.

I hate when someone tells me to watch a YouTube video without telling me what's in it that's worth my while. Compared to that, having to download a PDF is a walk in the park.

[James D.]

Probably not quite as good as literature as High Fidelity but the music focus is squarely on classic rock.

I didn’t ever go to wax stacks but I was a regular at the CD exchange up in Coventry.

[joan]

Miss Marple: On Solar Winds -- we watched Lou Dobbs for the first time in over six months or so yesterday evening, and he was pissed off. He was complaining about 'people in the administration and at the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency didn't know what they were doing' and that no one was doing anything about it. The comment was right before he interviewed or was interviewing General Flynn.

[clarice]

WICTOR IMO IS ABOUT 90% B.S. PROVE ME WRONG.

[Captain Hate]

Glen Campbell you say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd9nMrvBbmA

[clarice]

AS I WAS SAYING:https://www.newsmax.com/politics/election-fraud-martial-law-army-no-role/2020/12/19/id/1002337/

[boris]

Bus Stop
Long Cool Woman in a Black Dress

Different bands of my past did these 2.
Sang high harmony on Bus Stop.
Good times, fond memories.

Anyone remember the Left Banke?

Always liked Walk Away Renee.

[joan]

I liked Never My Love by the Association.

Also really liked 10cc's I'm Not in Love. In fact, I loved it. :)

We watched a good documentary on HBO about the BeeGee's last week. I really enjoyed it. There was a lot of information about how they fell out of favor because of some real asshoe who started a "I Hate Disco" movement. Fans brought records to some baseball field and they set rockets off on the records or something strange. I'd never heard of this happening (I always kinda liked the energy of disco) because we lived in London then. Don't remember it being covered. But it shocked and hurt the BeeGee's career. After that they went to writing songs for other people. I didn't realize or had forgotten they wrote Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton's Islands In The Stream and several other songs by top singers like Barbara Streisand.

The way that disc jockey went after the BeeGee's reminded me of today -- the way woke people find some little thing that can be twisted and called racist or misogynist or something and destroy people. Really sick.

Made me sad and happy to watch the documentary. Barry looked so old, sad, and alone at the end -- but then they showed him singing at some revival or concert and he was right at home and happy.

[MissMarple2]

Threadkiller,

When you see that Chris Miller is THIS guy:

and now looks like a typical nerdy paper-pusher, you realize that all is not as it seems. (Cue Twilight Zone music....)

[joan]

Our son goes to Argentina a lot with his wife, and he's fallen in love with Malbec. It's good, but I wanted something pricy. Cause he's such a snob and thinks people here drink Old Wild Rose or something. :(

I use to love asti spumante. I can remember the first time I had a glass -- it was sort of like have a bit of liquid, sparkling plum in my mouth.

We use to be given so much booze and wine when my husband worked in Europe. The Italians, especially, gave us those kind of presents. One time my husband gave a talk in Wales for the Financial Times and the newspaper sent us a case of the loveliest wine. :) I went on that trip -- we took the train up there. My husband didn't like taking me on business trips for some reason. :( One time he had been to Germany and was going to end up in Paris. I flew there to meet him by myself and went to the hotel. I was so hungry so I ordered a sandwich and a Coke from room service at the hotel, and the waiter or whatever you call the guy who brings the meal to your room almost spit as he poured the Coke. :) I'm sure he thought "you heathen American."

[lyle]

Always liked Walk Away Renee.

I liked Never My Love by the Association.

Ditto. (Don’t tell anyone! 😬)