Away We Go Again

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[Narciso]

Well henry cant have a proper show trial if there is any contrary evidence

https://ips-dc.org/ips-authors/marcus-raskin/

The godfather of this infiltration.

[Narciso]

Since epoch times cant get past the digital gulag

https://mobile.twitter.com/VickiMcKenna/status/1348643878447013891

[Narciso]

Of course they only firsr went after the white russians then mensheviks trotskyites after kirov plot then the general staff but no worries.

[henry]

Away we go... to those fema camps.

[Old Lurker]

Willowed:

You just know they are going to use that "Domestic Terrorism" slur (Mel 9:34 previous thread) to prevent any Parler et al from ever building their own platform hardware infrastructure, or for them to have access to capital for same.

Thank you George Bush and all those tools you got imposed post 9/11.

We created a monster and it has broken through the door. It is every bit as evil as we feared when it was outside the door.

[Thomas Collins]

One of the mantras I hear constantly spouted in the current efforts to suppress freedom of expression is that there is no basis in the constitution to challenge such efforts (so that challenges must be on other grounds, such as antitrust). In fact, if a litigant can make the case that the state encouraged or impermissibly aided private speech suppression, there is a constitutional claim.

I don't know whether a litigant could develop a record in a federal district court to meet this standard. Even if it could be shown, for example, that Biden, Shumer and Pelosi aides were in contact with Google, Amazon and Twitter, that might not be enough. However, I would hope that investigations would be made as to whether the relationship between Big Tech and the Federal Government is sufficient to bring state action into play in Big Tech freedom of expression suppression situations.

[Dave (in MA)]

Beck is going to interview a Parler exec in a few minutes, in case anybody is interested.

[Dave (in MA)]

We talked about Belichick and Medal of Freedom today @CallahanPodcast and Turtleboy convinced me: He ain't going. Not because of the Globe-led mob - Bill would love to give them the finger - but because of his players. Last thing he wants is for McCourtys & Co. to turn on him

— Gerry Callahan (@GerryCallahan) January 11, 2021

[Thomas Collins]

See below for a link to a discussion of what constitutes state action (including a summary of and citations to the cases with respect to when private actors can be brought within the state action ambit).

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-14/section-1/state-action

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Quit thinking like lawyers! We are in a post Constitutional era. Lawsuits are worthless.

[Melinda]

Bannon has Navarro up, now: https://pandemic.warroom.org

[Thomas Collins]

I hate to disagree with you, Stephanie, but lawsuits are not worthless. Lawsuits are not the entire approach, but they are part of the approach. In addition, FOIA actions, such as those made by Judicial Watch, are part of the approach.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

From Parler CEO John Matzke:
I wanted to send everyone on Parler an update. We will likely be down longer than expected. This is not due to software restrictions—we have our software and everyone’s data ready to go. Rather it’s that Amazon’s, Google’s and Apple’s statements to the press about dropping our access has caused most of our other vendors to drop their support for us as well. And most people with enough servers to host us have shut their doors to us. We will update everyone and update the press when we are back online.

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Mel did you see my response on the prior thread?

[Melinda]

Yep, and thanks.

[Dave (in MA)]

Beck says that 1984 is currently the #1 book on Amazon, and Farenheit 451 is high up there, too.

[Narciso]

What was that about me worrying too much captain, i recommend come nineveh come tyre how this story ends.

So you can stack dead cops like cordwoods you can burn out city centers but this delta prank soanish inquisition.

[henry]

@vickimckenna

Democrats Hint They Will Try to Use the Fourteenth Amendment to Expel GOP Representatives Who Challenged the Electoral Votes

https://twitter.com/vickimckenna/status/1348659220535668736?s=21

[MissMarple2]

Mel,

Thanks for the link to the War Room! I was a You Tube listener and didn't quite kow where to go to find them.

I don't always agree with Bannon, but there is no doubt he supports the President and he does have good guests.

[Old Lurker]

TC, I stand 100% with Stephanie on that.

You old honorable lawyers like Clarice, Jane and others who think in "old think" about justice as if, if you just gather the facts and argue the issue just right, justice will prevail.

That has not been the case for a number of years. The demise grew at an exponential rate since 9/11, and it broke through all the dams and levies in the Trump era, culminating first in Covid and finally in the flood since Nov 3.

It is now gone, my friend. You are now just quibbling over the scraps and the Other defines the rules from this point on.

[Buckeye]

I’m OK with TC fighting legal battles.

In the meantime, I’m placing an ammo order.

[Thomas Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZx_TokIHdI

[Narciso]

Merrick garland will assure the warrants, mayorkas will decide which camp we go to.

[Buckeye]

BTW

OL and I are not sitting in The Ledge bar colluding on our posts.

It isn’t noon yet:)

[Old Lurker]

TC can fight away so long as somebody else pays his fees.

Everything in my work life has been based on cost:benefit analysis so that my capital investments produce the highest IRR possible. (back in the day THAT was the focus of an MBA education.)

The current "conservative" Roberts SCOTUS is going to stop nothing, and if they did, the court would be packed in a nano second.

Spending money on K Street lawyers to re-secure rights once assumed would consume way more money that I would have to throw at it.

If the courts ever reopen for landlords to collect nickel/dime unpaid rent, or if I get in a fender bender in my car, sure, I'll hire a lawyer to work it through.

But to get JUSTICE or to protect constitutional rights? HaHaHa

[Dave (in MA)]

Amazon acts as Big Brother and then gets a revenue bump from people buying the how-to manual.

[Old Lurker]

Didn't the Pentagon move a lot of computing to the Amazon Web Services in the last few years?

[Tom R]

OL @ 11:15

Yes they did. Both AWS and Microsoft provide cloud storage of classified information.

[Captain Hate]

Buckeye,

You got an extra room if things get sporty? I'm only half kidding, maybe less...

[MissMarple2]

NEW: @USTreasury sanctions pro-Trump Ukrainian operatives who helped Giuliani — @AndriyUkraineTe, Kostyantyn Kulyk, Oleksandr Onyshchenko, Oleksandr Dubinsky.

Also sanctioned is Andriy Derkach's NABU Leaks operation, associate Anton Simonenko, & others. https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/
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I don't understand this. Mel, can you explain maybe?

[Rocco]

I talked my wife into cancelling Prime but getting her to give up her iPhone might take a while.

This new security focused phone looks interesting.

https://puri.sm/

[Buckeye]

Thanks CH, I’ll keep that in mind.

[JohnH]

Willowec

Reading CCgirl and Marlene re: children brought to mind the Ages of Man from Hesiod’s “Works and Days”. We are definitely in the Iron Age:

“ Thereafter, would that I were not among the men of the fifth generation, but either had died before or been born afterwards. For now truly is a race of iron, and men never rest from labour and sorrow by day, and from perishing by night; and the gods shall lay sore trouble upon them. But, notwithstanding, even these shall have some good mingled with their evils. And Zeus will destroy this race of mortal men also when they come to have grey hair on the temples at their birth (6). The father will not agree with his children, nor the children with their father, nor guest with his host, nor comrade with comrade; nor will brother be dear to brother as aforetime. Men will dishonour their parents as they grow quickly old, and will carp at them, chiding them with bitter words, hard-hearted they, not knowing the fear of the gods. They will not repay their aged parents the cost their nurture, for might shall be their right: and one man will sack another's city. There will be no favour for the man who keeps his oath or for the just or for the good; but rather men will praise the evil-doer and his violent dealing. Strength will be right and reverence will cease to be; and the wicked will hurt the worthy man, speaking false words against him, and will swear an oath upon them. Envy, foul-mouthed, delighting in evil, with scowling face, will go along with wretched men one and all. And then Aidos and Nemesis (7), with their sweet forms wrapped in white robes, will go from the wide-pathed earth and forsake mankind to join the company of the deathless gods: and bitter sorrows will be left for mortal men, and there will be no help against evil.”

Lots in there that applies today. Sadly.

(translation by Hugh G. Evelyn-White)

[Narciso]

The messenger must be punished miss marpls.

[Tom R]

Cathyf had a timeline of the JAN 6 event in the previous thread. Let me add to it.

Last week I had a doctor's appointment during Trump's speech. When I got to the parking lot before going inside I checked Twitter and there were reports and pictures of the breach at the Capitol. I then went to Youtube and found the RSBN livestream. Trump was still speaking. Kinda hard for him to instigate an "insurrection" when it started before he was finished speaking.

[Captain Hate]

Cathyf's timeline was very well done and refuted every damn bit of the enemedia propaganda.

[Old Lurker]

So what, Cap'n?

It worked, didn't it.

[Thomas Collins]

I do everything pro bono for you, OL, so you'll have more to spend on fine dining for YL and the rest of your family! :-)

[MissMarple2]

https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/dems-release-impeachment-article/

Bizarro world.

[Narciso]

Theres irony i durbin who had comtact with scalises shooter is drafting this, a test case.

[rse]

Referencing the comments of the previous thread about ips and the raskins, I just remembered during a yoga class (in case, apart from wine and cooking, anyone wonders how I deal with reading all these plans) that IPS and marcus first popped on my radar when I read Robert Chandler's excellent 2008 book Shadow World: Resurgent Russia, The Global New Left, and Radical Islam .

May be time to take a look at it again.

[henry]

Vote fraud creativity.

https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2021/01/no-proof-of-residence-no-problem-for-milwaukee-voters/

If you try to register to vote in Milwaukee without providing proof of residence, the city sends you a rejection letter – and instructions to use that rejection letter as proof of residence going forward.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Rep Matt Goetz: We cannot live in a world where Twitter’s terms of service are more important than the terms in our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

[Old Lurker]

At this late date, the only thing of long lasting value Trump can do is to bust open the piñata and spill out all the true facts, good or bad, that the Government and Uniparty have done in secret.

Even the stolen election, if left at this point (sound and fury and words, words, words), is just a he-said-she-said and will go down in near history as a myth, rejected, as they say, by all 50 courts.

The shame will be that for four years we had a patriot in the WH who had access to everything that will never, now, be accessible from the outside.

That will be the lost opportunity of the Trump Era.

[Appalled]

What henry is linking to is an article that points out that Nancy Pelosi, in a letter to colleagues, solicited opinions on Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which allows for the expulsion of Representatives supporting an Insurrection by majority vote.

Does that mean she is thinking about the expulsion of the GOP members who voted that the election results should be questioned? Maybe someone will ask her the question. Expelling 140 members would look so drastic that I don't see it. A member's vote isn't an insurrection.

This also could be warning some of her GOP colleagues that future actions could have consequences, or could be directed against the Representative who live-tweeted her location.

[MissMarple2]

Ed Morrissey
@EdMorrissey
·
3h
It’s impossible to act as though Republicans are republican, especially while its leadership makes clear that it doesn’t care one whit about the party’s own foundational principles. And so I'm out.

Republican No More: The GOP’s Existential Crisis

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2021/01/11/republican-no-gops-existential-crisis/

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

A string of tweets about the guy who was in the capitol and was arrested after his ex wife IDed him;

Vivian

3h
Again, women have to do the hard work & clean up the mess of low life men
****
Luis

1h
I dunno, Ashli Babbitt left quite a mess on her way out.
****
imcool4cats

48m
God. Damn. lol

Yeah, we can "coexist" with these people.

[henry]

First Nancy has to find an insurrection. Questioning voting rule changes in the courts and legislature is the opposite.

[Old Lurker]

YL used to have a joke about sorting livestock for optimal use. The punchline was "Into the wagon with you. You're a wallet."

Rep Matt Goetz...into the wagon you go.

[clarice]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/twitter-stock-price-trump-account-deleted#

Sarah Hoyt (insty) says if you leave Amazon you will be punishing the indie writers who are mostly conservative

[Appalled]

One other thought. If the Dems fight impeachment on the grounds that the January 6 speech incited the rioters -- they will and should lose. The timeline does not work.

If they ground it on the totality of Trump's actions to challenge the votes by his claim blatant voter fraud (when none has been proven in any court), they have a better argument and one that may be worth having in the Senate. Still doubt they will get their removal plus prohibition against holding future office.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

Well, hot damn, if enough Morrisey doughboys leave the GOP I might just be tempted to rejoin.

[Captain Hate]

Poppin' Fresh leaving the GOP is probably the only loss that wont negatively impact them.

[henry]

Equal justice for all some.

@vickimckenna

White guys need not apply: Biden says his ‘priority’ for economic business relief will be made based on RACE and GENDER.

https://twitter.com/vickimckenna/status/1348667906016608258?s=21

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

So an impeachment trial worth having is whenever an opposing party decides the president has advocated something that hasn't been proven in court.
Got it.
Makes perfect sense.

[Captain Hate]

The yellow loon must be jacking it hard to impeachment 2. Meanwhile Dersh says it can't happen. Hmmmm, who to trust...

[Buckeye]

I reread your post CH.

Yep we have an extra room. You’re always welcome.

I don’t think Buckeyette would claim it, she’s pretty talented with her shootin’ irons and can take care of herself.

Jr. will be too busy treating the wounded to venture out to far suburbia.

[MissMarple2]

Don Penim
@Don_Penim
·
18m
United Arab Emirates icy winter:

Long-time residents say this is the coldest EVER with the UAE recording sub-zero temperatures twice in 3 days.

Al Ain’s Raknah area recorded -1.2 degrees Celsius on Monday ... two days after recording -2°C.

https://www.khaleejtimes.com/news/weather/uaes-icy-winter-long-time-residents-say-this-is-the-coldest-ever

[Dave (in MA)]

https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/dems-release-impeachment-article/

Does Trump get a hard copy?

Rip it up on TV.

[Old Lurker]

Nope. This could never happen here:

"Coronavirus patients could be chosen for treatment based off of their potential value to society or by “lottery” if hospitals are overrun, an emergency protocol drafted by Britain’s socialised health care system has warned.

The emergency triage document was first published in the Journal for Medical Ethics in November but is now being sent to National Health Service (NHS) hospitals across the country."

[Appalled]

Iggy:

Let's turn this around. Suppose Trump prevails in getting the GOP to reject the electoral college votes and somehow manipulates the system to get term #2.

I would resent having my vote stolen. I would be in the streets. I am not a gun toting type, but I would support efforts to reject a steal like that.

Trump, by sheer vehemence and repetition has convinced many that votes were stolen, without doing much of anything to prove it in court. He doesn't even bring the arguments. The Courts just hear technical arguments about election law based on some theory that state regulators are not allowed to regulate.

The results of that -- we've seen. So, yep, the discussion IS worth having.

CH:

I'm on record over there that I think the impeachment is a waste of time unless they really can impair Trump's ability to run again. That's one for the lawyers.

[Dave (in MA)]

The flip side of throwing away expired vaccines because the first set of designated people eligible was far smaller than the amount of available vaccines.

[Dave (in MA)]

Drama queen Acosta is going to anchor a weekend show on Fake News and won't be hanging around the White House trying to get his lips on Biden's ass.

[Tom R]

Long-time residents say this is the coldest EVER with the UAE recording sub-zero temperatures twice in 3 days.

The absolute coldest I have ever felt i.e. teeth chattering and uncontrollable shivers was during the winter I was deployed to Desert Storm. The temperatures ranged from 90-100+ during the day and at night dropped down to the 60s. Until that point I never realized you could get cold in the desert. Having "frozen" my ass off when it was in the 60s, I can't imagine what sub-zero temperatures feel like in that part of the world.

[Dave (in MA)]

-2C isn't what we'd normally call sub-zero, but I get what you're saying. I'm cold and it's about 62F in my office.

[Captain Hate]

Did not know this about Powell

He was the Investigating Officer at My Lai. He forgot to mention the Assistant Division Commander in a Huey was right above the massacre site with radio coms.
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 11, 2021 11:55 AM (vQJZv)

I figured he stabbed someone in the back on the way up but had no idea it was this high profile.

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

It’s odd to be called a Nazi when you’re the one forced to wear the star.

From a FB friend.

[MissMarple2]

Tom, Dave,

I finally steeled myself to take a shower and wash my hair. I am holed up here in the bedroom with the old dog, Pibby, and the space heater going full blast to augment the heat.

[Melinda]

Try ski racing at -34F in a downhill suit.. Not. Fun.

[Dave (in MA)]

I have to get a guy in to purge air out of my forced hot water heating system, but in the meantime, the room I use for an office isn't getting heated too well. Still better than being too hot.

[MissMarple2]

Melinda,

Well, I am back to the "where the glacier will be in 2020" (Circa 1970) sign at Glacier National Park, which the National Parks Service removed when it got on the global warming bandwagon back in the 90's.

[James D.]

Clarice @ 11:43

In her circle there are a lot of conservative writers. But my observation is that overall, self-published writers are all over the map politically. There are tons of indie, Amazon-selling authors in my writer groups who are proudly Full Commie.

[Buckeye]

I walked a couple of blocks in Montreal in -35F with no hat and no gloves.

That sucked, but at least the restaurant was excellent:)

[Narciso]

Yes he was that surfaced in 95, i think.

[boris]

"prove it in court"

The general theory of relativity was never proven in court either. It does however explain a number of observations that have subsequently been made. The first, I believe required waiting for a full eclipse of the sun so that displacement in the star-field close to the sun could be measured.

Trumps assertion is consistent with the following:

Then came the election on 3 November. There were a series of concerning anomalies. Counting in several battleground states stopped simultaneously, then resumed with large jumps in votes for Joe Biden. Republican poll watchers were excluded from counting centers in Philadelphia and Detroit. In Fulton County, Georgia, voting stopped, the poll watchers were sent home, and then counting resumed. Georgia’s Secretary of State made a secret agreement with the Democrat Party to relax the rules for signature verification. In Pennsylvania, the State Supreme Court imposed its own rules for voting, overriding the legislature. Pennsylvania’s Secretary of State ignored an order from the United States Supreme Court to segregate ballots that were undated or came in after the deadline.

Given these facts, and ...

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” was a phrase made popular by Carl Sagan who reworded Laplace's principle, which says that “the weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness”

... I place the burden of proof on the claim that Biden would not have won without massive fraud in 5 dimorat controlled cities.

[Narciso]

Appalled is vibranium dense, wwll it goes his torch for shadow gov abramz

[boris]

Oops ... I place the burden of proof on disputing the claim that Biden would not have won without massive fraud in 5 dimorat controlled cities.

[MissMarple2]

RSBN will cover the President responding to the media purge at 1:30 Eastern.

[Narciso]

From 1930 onwards, the Party and police officials feared the "social disorder" caused by the upheavals of forced collectivization of peasants and the resulting famine of 1932–1933, as well as

The menshevik trial was a smallpart

the massive and uncontrolled migration of millions of peasants into cities. The threat of war heightened Stalin's perception of marginal and politically suspect populations as the potential source of an uprising in case of invasion. He began to plan for the preventive elimination of such potential recruits for a mythical "fifth column of wreckers, terrorists and spies."[13][14][15]

[Captain Hate]

Cold? How about Fairbanks, Alaska, where engine block heaters are standard equipment. And there's at least half the state north of there. It gets warm in the summer though...

[boris]

Also the correct link for the first block quote.

[Narciso]

Ah the good prosecutor should remember when spoke crime think against blm pioneer derrick bell engaged in islamophobia and chastised hero of the people voldemort

[rse]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13484

Assessing Mandatory Stay‐at‐Home and Business Closure Effects on the Spread of COVID‐19
Eran Bendavid
Christopher Oh
Jay Bhattacharya
John P.A. Ioannidis
First published: 05 January 2021

[rse]

The most restrictive non‐pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) for controlling the spread of COVID‐19 are mandatory stay‐at‐home and business closures. Given the consequences of these policies, it is important to assess their effects. We evaluate the effects on epidemic case growth of more restrictive NPIs (mrNPIs), above and beyond those of less restrictive NPIs (lrNPIs)...

Conclusions

While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less restrictive interventions.

[Jane]

Henry,

The left opposed the electoral college a few months ago.

[Narciso]

That paragraph of course is ridiculous because they wouldnt go to war with germany until 10 years after.

[matt - deplore me if you must]

Northern Asia in mid-winter is the worst. -35F in Shenyang or Quinhuangdao. -20F and the world's worst air quality in Beijing. Even the weather in China is asshoe.

[Melinda]

MM-

No clue, but if Mnuchin is going the whole Muh Russia route Then there's probably a good reason that I have no idea what it is.

[Narciso]

You think sen treasury dont want kolomoiskys piece of the action, he looted 6billion dollars

https://mobile.twitter.com/karol/status/1348639269334757379

[Melinda]

Former Soviet leader Gorbachev says he knows who plotted the siege on U.S. Capitol

https://justthenews.com/government/security/former-soviet-leader-gorbachev-says-he-knows-who-plotted-siege-us-capitol

[Captain Hate]

The left has always opposed the Electoral College because it prevents mob rule and guarantees minority rights, which ironically they claim to be for.

[Jim Eagle]

How about the equator at sea level? You would never think to pack a down jacket but my 2 years in Kalimantan, Borneo, Indonesia proved me wrong. Since it was 120F with 75% humidity during the day nightfall would bring 70F temps that felt like below freezing because of the quick differential. We played bridge outside on the terrace and even the native guys had North Face down parkas.

Oh, and then are the torrential rains, monsoons, actually, that feel like ice storms when temps drop.

[Narciso]

Largely so

https://mobile.twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/1348690390514208770

[Narciso]

Putin is a repudiation of every port wine stain did or thought.

[Buckeye]

Mrs. Buckeye observes that @jack, zuck, and bezos shouldn’t get too smug.

If Jack Ma can be disappeared, so can they.

I knew there was a reason I married that gal:)

[henry]

Xiden will pardon him in a couple weeks.

@chiiium

Michael Madigan suspends campaign for IL House Speaker.

[henry]

You can tell they think they won. And “smart and safe” reopening will require loyalty oaths and bribes.

@nygovcuomo

We simply cannot stay closed until the vaccine hits critical mass. The cost is too high. We will have nothing left to open. We must reopen the economy, but we must do it smartly and safely.

#SOTS2021

[Captain Hate]

Damn, Buckeye, you married well.

[clarice]

Boris, excellent. I'd add that this should especially be the case where the evidence is in the hands of the very officials who declared the victor and are denying access to it.

[henry]

Yeah, very scary. / sarc
But armored and armed BLM/AnteFa are peaceful.

@rawstory

Trump supporters plan 'armed protests' in all 50 states starting this weekend: FBI bulletin

[Melinda]

Madigan suspended his campaign, but not removing hisself from contention. Message being, if House members choose to not vote for him, they're dead.