That Went Well

Trump and a small group of his supporters disgrace themselves and embarrass this country.

I'd guess this was Mitch McConnell's Longest Day but also his Finest Hour. It was also a day that will live in infamy but we need to get other wars into the mix.

In other news, divided Republicans managed to lose both Georgia Senate seats. When the dust settles it will be Senate Majority Leader Schumer.

All in all, a memorably dreadful day for Team Red. Figuring out how to end this madness and merge the timelines so we have one nation sharing one reality will be a monumental long term project.

Comments

[henry]

Speaking of rioters....

https://kenoshacountyeye.com/2021/01/07/man-with-arm-shot-off-by-kyle-rittenhouse-is-arrested-for-second-dui-corruption-suspected-with-special-treatment/

[henry]

The NYT would have to report a reality instead of prog fanfic for us to have two realities to choose from.

[peter]

www.elevendayempire.com/JOM2

[hrtshpdbox]

Trump and a small group of his supporters disgrace themselves and embarrass this country.
In mysterious incident, Capitol Police shoot and kill unarmed protestor.

FIFY

[hrtshpdbox]

Figuring out how to end this madness and merge the timelines so we have one nation sharing one reality will be a monumental long term project.
Reeducation camps for Trump supporters ASAP!

FIFY 2

[Neo]

Recognize someone in photos from the DC riot? The FBI wants to hear from you

https://www.heraldsun.com/news/nation-world/national/article248338835.html

[Cecil Turner]

The Rioters Who Took Over The Capitol Have Been Planning Online In The Open For Weeks

The supporters of President Donald Trump who rioted in the US Capitol building on Wednesday had been openly planning for weeks on both mainstream social media and the pro-Trump internet. On forums like TheDonald, a niche website formed after Reddit banned the subreddit of the same name, they promised violence against lawmakers, police, and journalists if Congress did not reject the results of the 2020 election.

[Neo]

henry: If you recall, Gaige Grosskreutz et al are suing city, county for $20M

[henry]

The reality is “Team Red” has been splitting since the Tea Party of a decade ago. Politicians took their money, labor, and votes then promptly ignored their issues. So Trump filled the void. As long as “Team Red” = Dem lite, there will be a split. You want to unite a reality, quit treating a substantial group as rubes. We can tie our own shoes, and not tie them together like the Boehners or Rubios or JEBs of the world.

[Threadkiller]

so we have one nation sharing one reality

Do we share the reality where otherwise intelligent people truly believe that Joe Biden secured 84 million votes? LOL

The madness you want to see ended will come only with the willful compliance of people who knew better. But is there really no more madness?

Thank you for the other years I enjoyed here, TM. I will sign off with the oft quoted blueprint to the reality you are begging for:

Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.

[henry]

Neo, yeah. And the city will settle, likely with “COVID” funds from Pelosi.

[Another Bob]

Cecil, perhaps instead of parroting outlets like Buzzfeed, you could amble over to td.win yourself and dig up the original sources for “let’s go riot”?

[Art in Newport]

.. willowed ..

James D - found your new site: www.elevendayempire.com/JOM2

Registered and logged in, no problem; Left an intro post.
I will be checking in there regularly.

[Thomas Collins]

I must not have gone to the correct finishing schools, TM. I could have sworn that the center of gravity of federalism is that we can in effect live out different realities in the context of one big free trade zone and a federal government that attends to the common defense and doesn't sell out to other countries such as Red China. Silly me. I guess I need to adopt to the reality of the post-modern therapeutic corporate state.

[Porchlight]

On forums like TheDonald, a niche website formed after Reddit banned the subreddit of the same name, they promised violence against lawmakers, police, and journalists if Congress did not reject the results of the 2020 election.

Bullshit. I'm on TheDonald.win all day long. There are the usual torches and pitchforks comments. There is no "planning" and never has been.

[Dave (in MA)]

We actually don't know for certain that it was Capitol Police who murdered Ashli Babbit. There have been some claims that the shooter was in civilian garb. I have doubts that Capitol Police would have been behind a door barricaded by a stacked up pile of furniture, which appears to be where the shot came from.

[Thomas Collins]

Prediction: Marty Walsh, Boston Mayor, will be Biden's Secretary of Labor.

[hrtshpdbox]

Do we share the reality where otherwise intelligent people truly believe that Joe Biden secured 84 million votes?

Oh, definitely; to end the madness that TM refers to requires us to take many steps toward our neighbors who embrace that sort of risible notion of what constitutes The Real World (no one need take a step in our direction, of course).

[Cecil Turner]

Cecil, perhaps instead of parroting outlets like Buzzfeed . . .

Not sure what your point is. I've been reading this crap over at Insty for weeks. Are you claiming they didn't? Or that it wasn't a riot? Or what?

[hrtshpdbox]

There is no "planning" and never has been.

Porch, you just didn't realize that the usual group bs'ing and shooting the breeze over there were actually domestic terrorists (who disgraced themselves and their country and blah blah blah).

[MissMarple2]

I think Twitter is missing a vid.
I'll help them out.🥳 pic.twitter.com/Wakj6cknkU

— Mr Daryl Ray Bennett (@MrDarylRayBenn1) January 7, 2021

Video of the REAL video of President Trump telling everyone to go home in peace. Video at the link.

Threadkiller, see if THAT one shows up!

[hrtshpdbox]

Not sure what your point is.

Maybe something like you link to buzzfeed articles here and think that strengthens a debating point wtf?

[Dave (in MA)]

Elaine Chao resigns from the Cabinet?

I don't want her resigning, I want her voting to remove Trump! Don't protest, act!https://t.co/Y6i90FZgVi

— Tom Maguire (@Tom_Maguire) January 7, 2021

[Davod]

.One of many similar responses to Melanie Philips twitter post about the Capital protests.

Replying to
@MelanieLatest
I'm used to thoughful and insightful analyses on issues from you. Here, you have really lost me.
Many Americans lost faith in impartial rule of law long before the fraudulant aspects election. You blaming Trump and ignoring what went before makes me question your judgement."

[Davod]

"Recognize someone in photos from the DC riot? The FBI wants to hear from you"

So they can whitewash the ratbags before anyone else identifies them.

[Dave (in MA)]

TC, I predict that the Patriots will win Super Bowl LI.

[henry]

How corrupt is this one? (I am not familiar with her).

@WSJ

President-elect Joe Biden is expected to choose Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo as his commerce secretary, according to people familiar with the matter

[henry]

On the resignations... so what? They would just be on vacation the next two weeks anyway.

[hrtshpdbox]

I don't want her resigning, I want her voting to remove Trump! Don't protest, act!!

Well, that's it for me. Tom, you seem like a nice enough preppy guy, but it's too bad you've used your forum to snark at members while being so f'ing wrong about everything important. Hasta la vista.

[Dave (in MA)]

Do Capitol Police wear French Cuffs with cufflinks, and fire at unarmed civilians without warning?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347056697899163648

Should be fairly easy to identify since his face is visible as is some sort of bracelet on his right arm.

[Dave (in MA)]

Cocaine Elaine can go piss up a rope.

[Porchlight]

Mike
@Doranimated
·
17h

This is my city, DC, on fire — last May. I didn’t receive a single text message on that night. But this afternoon my inbox was flooded with concerned messages from friends & family. We supposedly don’t believe the media anymore, yet it still manages to shape our perceptions.

https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1346989752910692363

Photo at link.

[Porchlight]

Yeah, there's no way that shooter was Capitol police.

[Dave (in MA)]

henry, she's a New England politician.

[henry]

Dave, and Rhode Island is proud to have Brown and Sheldon Whitehouse. Now that I think about it, that’s a good place to stash both of those things.

[Thomas Collins]

What's wrong with Brown, henry? Brown was a great college experience for me. Mobbed up Italian restaurants close by (better food at those places), and Providence has better strip clubs than New Haven! :-))

[Jim Eagle]

So, Mitch's wife has resigned as Sect. of Transportation. All because of yesterday. Well, now maybe the railroads will run on time:)

[Thomas Collins]

I figured that would get your attention, Dave (in MA)!

[Davod]

GAB comments on NYT's stating social media like GAB to blame for yesterday's protests. A very good article. The segment included below does not really do it justice.

"...But for the New York Times to pretend that Gab is the problem – noting that Gab officially has no political positions apart from respecting the First Amendment and being unashamedly pro-law and order- is to deny reality, which is that for many in the political establishment, their policy is to excuse away low-level political violence that serves their interests and only get outraged when it doesn’t..."

https://news.gab.com/2021/01/06/gab-coms-statement-on-todays-events-in-washington-d-c/

[Thomas Collins]

Isn't there plenty of precedent for JOMers predicting events that have already happened? :-))

[Davod]

Dave. Any team named Patriot's should automatically be banned as not respectful of all ideologies.

[Another Bob]

“ Not sure what your point is.”

Oh, maybe that it’s a large forum with lots of people posting, and a handful of random posts dug up from a few minutes of trolling through it is an awfully long way from any sort of proof of any plan.

Way more credible proof of the election steal than there is of this.

[MissMarple2]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1347210282159009800.html

Tammy Bruce is struck by how the breaching of the Capitol yesterday by a few people is being portrayed as The Worst Thing Ever.

No kidding. I happen to agree with her list of lost freedoms, and to that I would add assassinations and attempted assassinations of presidents, cabinet officials, and other government officials.

[henry]

TC, The View is a better strip club than New Haven, true enough. The local mobbed up Greek restaurants were fine. Providence is too close to Boston. (Yeah, New Haven is too close to NYC, which had excellent strip clubs in Times Square pre Rudy).

[Another Bob]

“ Yeah, there's no way that shooter was Capitol police.”

Reportedly a Capitol police officer has been put on admin leave over the shoot.

[Another Bob]

“ Do Capitol Police wear French Cuffs with cufflinks ”

I’m going to guess the Capitol police have plainclothes people, so maybe so.

[rse]

TC--

More resources.

In light of yesterday's attack on the capitol, we're focusing solely on resources to help you with critical conversations with your learners, your peers and within your communities.

https://www.weareteachers.com/resources-for-teaching-about-attack-capitol/

[Jim Eagle]

So, dementia damage Nancy wants to invoke the 25th to get Trump removed. Thank you for us entering into real CW2 territory.

[Another Bob]

There are photos of guys in suits in the chamber with pistols out. I assumed they were sergeant-at-arms people, but I suppose there’s a chance they were plainclothes Capitol police.

[Neo]

This was interesting ...

AstraZeneca’s candidate, which was developed alongside the University of Oxford, has puzzled many observers by proving more effective when the first of its two doses is only a half-dose. The British company is now planning to conduct new trials in order to figure out what’s going on.

[lyle]

A reprinted thread at Ace:

Political violence is always wrong and should never be tolerated from anyone. Once "protesters" threaten lives and property, their grievances and ideology should become absolutely irrelevant to the situation. That is, obviously, not the country we live in.

Long ago, we had an attitude of zero tolerance for terrorism, "we do not negotiate with terrorists," etc. One reason for this was the implicit understanding that negotiating with terrorism legitimizes it. Violence becomes an instrument of politics.

Some of us warned all last year that treating violence as acceptable, even laudable, from SOME people would mainstream it and touch off an arms race. Everyone would start getting the idea that only groups with a demonstrated capacity for violence are taken seriously.

When violence becomes acceptable from one party and its clients, one ideology, it becomes an instrument of authoritarianism. That's why authoritarian regimes frequently have violent vigilante groups roaming the streets in addition to their vast security and military forces.

Iran, for example, has all sorts of heavily armed police and security forces, working for both its secular and theocratic governments, but it ALSO has ultra-violent "vigilante" groups indulged by the State whose "grievances" supposedly justify vandalism and murder.

Either political violence is rejected in total - from everyone, for any reason, no matter who they are or what they believe - or it isn't. Once the tolerance level is no longer zero, we become locked in a vicious and endless struggle to control exactly what the level should be.

This is similar to the detestable way modern society handles racism. The tolerance level should be zero, but it isn't. Racism, prejudice, and discrimination are acceptable from SOME people toward SOME people. "Anti-racism" is an instrument of totalitarian power, not a principle.

Of course the particulars of protecting vital government facilities are different, but in principle the law-abiding residents and shop owners of Kenosha should have the same expectation of protection from political violence as politicians in D.C. But they don't, do they?

Every time a left-wing group gets violent, we're immediately told the protest was Mostly Peaceful, and the people who assembled peaceably - and their political leaders, no matter how incendiary their rhetoric - are 0% responsible for any injury or destruction that occurred.

We're told it's really all OUR fault for not listening to the grievances of the "protesters" who turned violent, even as we watch video of them merrily looting retail stores. We forced them to steal those TV sets by not yielding to their political demands!

Irresponsible political leaders who fanned the flames of left-wing violence and help the perpetrators escape accountability for their actions are never held to account, never told they must resign, rarely even advised to tone down their rhetoric.

And many - most - of the left-wing riots and killings of recent memory were based on falsehoods and misinformation. Outright lies were blasted by left-wing politicians and media without consequence, entirely BECAUSE they wanted to whip people into a frenzy.

And we were told all of that was fine, acceptable, even praiseworthy because their violence brought CHANGE and their lies illuminated DEEPER TRUTH. Okay, sure, we got everything about Mike Brown or Trayvon Martin's deaths wrong, but there were legit grievances to be addressed!

We have to stop doing that. We have to insist that every quarter of our political spectrum renounce violence, and the willful incitement to violence, completely and absolutely. No more cutesy-poo nudge-nudge wink-wink when lefties burn and pillage. No more double standards.

No more celebration of Noble Lies that illuminate Deeper Truth by the light of burning homes and businesses that were destroyed by mobs with Legitimate Grievances. No more indulgences for those who wantonly break the laws of the System That Failed Them.

That is a principle, and we should all be able to agree on it, no matter what else we disagree on. Absolute zero tolerance for political violence is a message that can save lives and prevent destruction if we all say it together and demand our government acts accordingly.

But if we decide the tolerance level for political violence will not be 0.0, then all that remains is for our armies to meet in the streets. Violence is too powerful, too USEFUL, and too profitable to be ignored when it is indulged. /end

And with this I sign off for good. Adios, amigos.

PS. TM can fuck off.

[Davod]

I don't know how you could identify the person trying to break the window, but someone tried to stop them.

https://www.rightjournalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/antifa-capitol-trump-supporters.mp4?_=1

[Old Lurker]

You guys quit giving Cecil a hard time over his post on the other thread.

I stopped reading it after his second sentence:

"The GOP election officials said they actually strengthened signature procedures and conducted an audit of (a county that admittedly doesn't impress). Unless you're positing they're in on it, it's a non-starter..."

My intelligent thought was "Duh".

[MissMarple2]

Bret Baier
@BretBaier
·

The latest from former AG Bill Barr: “Orchestrating a mob to pressure Congress is inexcusable. The President’s conduct yesterday was a betrayal of his office and supporters.”
===================================
Another person gets put on my FU list.

[Neo]

It only takes a “mini-van full of House Democrats” to go off a cliff for Pelosi to lose the Speakership

[Old Lurker]

MM "Another person gets put on my FU list."

Your mistake was ever having him off that list.

:-)

[Dave (in MA)]

Posted by: Thomas Collins | January 07, 2021 at 02:07 PM

Don't forget the fine eating establishment where the Hit Dog used to enjoy the Legs and Eggs breakfast.

[Davod]

In case you have not seen it:

Trump asking protesters to go home.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347092492387188738

[henry]

She already ended small business in CA.

@WSJ

President-elect Joe Biden has chosen Isabel Guzman, a California economic development official, to lead the Small Business Administration, according to people familiar with the matter

[Dave (in MA)]

Re: AB @ 2:18,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9120779/PICTURED-Trump-supporter-Air-Force-vet-shot-killed-storming-Capitol.html

[Thomas Collins]

The "educators" certainly moved quickly to incorporate yesterday's events into their totalitarian teaching framework, rse. I'll grant them that.

[henry]

@chiiium

Pelosi has called on the chief of the capitol police to resign. That should tell you A LOT.

This broad wants to remove the Sergeant at Arms, too.

[Cecil Turner]

Oh, maybe that it’s a large forum with lots of people posting, and a handful of random posts dug up from a few minutes of trolling through it is an awfully long way from any sort of proof of any plan.

It certainly is on the part of the individuals involved. (Which nobody is claiming is more than a small minority, but you don't need a majority to have a riot.) In any event, hopefully we can agree this was a bad thing. (Yes, and there are hypocrites who didn't call out BLM riots, but that doesn't make this acceptable.)

[henry]

I thought they went home. Do another impeachment theater. Have Swallwell write it in Chinese. Go for it.

@neal_katyal

So @msnbc has just reported that Speaker Pelosi has told Pence, invoke 25th Amendment or we will take up impeachment.

Exactly right.

[Thomas Collins]

Ah, yes, Dave (in MA). Mo Vaughan and the Foxy Lady.

https://www.southcoasttoday.com/article/19980303/news/303039985

[GUS]

Dearest most GRACIOUS HOST. If the CAPITOL/CAPITAL murder in the PEOPLES HOUSE

[GUS]

Dearest most GRACIOUS HOST. If the CAPITOL/CAPITAL murder in the PEOPLES HOUSE WAS like other PIGS IN A BLANKET KILLINGS, the CAPITAL would be in flames.
That's what your PEEPS do MAGUIRE. You've been disgracing yourself here for a long time. Right??

[Neo]

James O'Keefe @JamesOKeefeIII

We showed you evidence in MN of ballot harvesters ON TAPE literally paying cash for votes saying “we don’t care that it’s illegal.” No arrests or prosecutions from the FBI.

You didn’t care.

No equality before the law much?

Why people are pissed. Focus on the underlying issue!

FBI @FBI

The FBI is seeking to identify individuals instigating violence in Washington, D.C. We are accepting tips and digital media depicting rioting or violence in and around the U.S. Capitol on January 6. If you have information, visit http://fbi.gov/USCapitol.

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1347197549912989697

[GUS]

I'd start with the fat dude with the HAMMER and sickle on his hand. Pretty sure he's a MAGUIRE MAN, and not a patriot.

[Cecil Turner]

My intelligent thought was "Duh".

Another thoughtful response. Thanks.

So far, they've done one county of signature verification . . . results:

[T]he Cobb County Elections Department had a 99.99% accuracy rate in performing correct signature verification procedures. The audit team was also able to confirm that the two ballots that should have initially been identified by Cobb County Elections Department staff as requiring a cure notification were actually cast by the voters to whom they were issued. No fraudulent absentee ballots were identified during the audit.

[Rocco]

I'm done with TheDonald.win, there's just too many posts calling for violence. You be the judge.

https://thedonald.win/

[GUS]

Yes Turner, the "audit". Dumb fuck.

[GUS]

Dumb fuck Turner. Make "what" acceptable? You're quick to step on your own dick son.

Turner?? A stupid lib or just stupid??

[Old Lurker]

"Duh" referred to your assumption that nobody within the GOP was in on it.

[henry]

This does seem odd. Why was this agitator in the Capitol filming things? Certainly not aTrump supporter. Pure BLM, so not press either.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/why-was-founder-far-left-blm-group-filming-inside-capitol-police-shot-protester

[Jane]

Took down my Trump flag and put up my Gadsden flag ( thank you Mr Marlene). Trump signs still all up, and my Les Deplorables (thank you Caro) still on my golf cart. I sure have a lot of Caro artwork around. I’m a lucky girl!

Why are they blaming Trump for the Capital rioting? It was Antifa!

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Figuring out how to end this madness and merge the timelines so we have one nation sharing one reality will be a monumental long term project.--

--I don't want her resigning, I want her voting to remove Trump! --

LOL
Yeah, that should do it.
Guess that's the "Gee a hornet stung me. I'll show them who's boss with this tennis racket" school of long term projects.

[Jim Eagle]

Come on, GUS. There is no need to criticize posters (Cecil) like that. He has a right to his opinion. And by the way, I believe he is a Marine. They don't take lightly to those kind of admonitions.

[Narciso]

Well its a foolish analysis, worse than his previous effort.

[Old Lurker]

Jane "Why are they blaming Trump for the Capital rioting?"

1. Haters gotta hate.

2. Resume' sanitation for GOPe's who want to work in DC...start with Barr and work down the list.

[Neo]

AOC’s Comms Director Asks Twitter To Ban Users From Citing AOC’s Support For Violent Riots
https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/07/aocs-comms-director-asks-twitter-to-ban-users-from-citing-aocs-support-for-violent-riots/

[Old Lurker]

They are all ahoe:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/07/chuck-schumer-calls-for-trumps-removal-from-office.html

[Tom R]

What's the story on Cecil Turner? Is he dishonest or just uninformed? Presenting the Cobb county audit as proof the GA election was fraud-free is dishonest because no one was disputing the accuracy of Cobb county. The fraud primarily occurred in Fulton county and those involved in perpetrating the fraud intentionally prevented an audit to expose the fraud.

[Cecil Turner]

"Duh" referred to your assumption that nobody within the GOP was in on it.

Well, that's certainly more substantive, thanks.

The problem with that theory is that it isn't one guy in the GOP, it's the entire SecState department and the GBI and investigators involved: any one of them can blow the whistle on a coverup, and none did. So unless your conspiracy theory accounts for a bunch of people--including more than a few prominent GOPers who'd be giving away significant political power by allowing Democrats to take over their Senate seats--going along with a "get Trump" scheme, it's a little hard to take seriously.

Yes Turner, the "audit". Dumb f[]

Speaking of DFs, you might want to review Clarice's link from the last post:

Shortly after the rioting started, XRVision performed an analysis on the video footage and identified several individuals. This information was shared with Federal LEA. We concluded that two of the individuals (Jason Tankersley and Matthew Heimbach) were affiliated with the Maryland Skinheads and the National Socialist Movements. These two are known Nazi organizations; they are not Antifa. The third individual identified (Jake Angeli) is an actor with some QAnon promotion history. Again, no Antifa identification was made for him either.

You'd look a little smarter.

[Narciso]

How many cities how many cops murdered and maimed and oddly you could not only hear pin drop but they actively cheered the rioters and even raised bail money for them.

[Jane]

TC,AMY’S DAUGHTER starts Brown on Sunday. She will rock but I’m worried about how liberal it Is.

[Old Lurker]

"So unless your conspiracy theory accounts for a bunch of people--including more than a few prominent GOPers..."

Well, yes, yes it does. In DC and in the states.

Where ya been?

[Cecil Turner]

What's the story on Cecil Turner?

What's the story on Tom R? (<--notice how that really isn't helpful?)

Presenting the Cobb county audit as proof the GA election was fraud-free is dishonest because no one was disputing the accuracy of Cobb county.

False, actually. It was selected because of previous signature disputes and just happens to be the only one completed. They foisted off the statewide audit on UGA, and I'd be happy to report those results, but they're not in yet.

[Jane]

Tom,

The “story” on Cecil Turner is that he is a brilliant, great guy whose point of view is worth hearing even if you disagree with it. Stop acting like. Democrat!

[Old Lurker]

Jane, back in YL's day, we took Brown off the list of possibles for her because they were the first Ivy to go gradeless and core-less.

Her Prog friend from HS did go and is now a hard core communist lawyer in DC.

[Tom R]

Another traitor.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/07/mick-mulvaney-resigns-from-trump-administration-expects-others-to-follow.html

[Cecil Turner]

Where ya been?

Well, if it's a 100% conspiracy, that works. Or perhaps there's just the teensiest possibility that your guy just lost?

[Jim Eagle]

Isn't Brown one of the 7 Ivy Indocritantion centers?

[Old Lurker]

Jane "...whose point of view is worth hearing even if you disagree with it."

And one does not always disagree with it, and it is never disagreeable to disagree with him. Even though he can be hard headed. :-)

[Tom R]

Jane @ 3:12

Actually Cecil was the one acting like a Democrat by trying to pass off the false narrative about Cobb county which he has since doubled down on. Not once did the Trump campaign ask for an audit of signatures in Cobb county.

[henry]

JiB, has been since Amy Carter went there.

[Rocco]

He was spot on about Dr Shiva's analysis. Changed my mind.

[Cecil Turner]

Thanks Jane. Love you too.

Even though he can be hard headed. :-)

Heh. Believe it or not, that was actually written on one of my fitness reports (started with "extremely intelligent and . . ." but still wasn't a compliment). I knew it was true, but I didn't want to have to read about it.

It's been a slice, guys (and gals). But I really do have a life. cheers.

[Old Lurker]

Just when I was being nice calling you hardheaded!

But seriously, Cecil, one of the great frustrations of these past two months is trying to find an actual fact or two inside all the sound and fury.

A number of good Trump supporters here have begged for a nice organized and documented bill of particulars. We know the difference between an Opening Argument and a proven case.

Many of us do think that with all that smoke there really was a fire of game changing significance, and we really do see GOPe culpability all over it, but you are not out of line to suggest that there is some chance our guy just, you know, lost.

[Jane]

OL,

Megan is some sort of math whiz operating in a universe I can’t even pronounce. Hopefully that will keep her out of the BS.