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July 28, 2021

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clarice

The forgeries were crude and eminent forensic examiners proved it. Why repeat stupid slander?

Narciso

Because that is how they roll, see christopher steele

Narciso


We can learn from the brits

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/english-channel-crossings-home-office-website-b1894092.html

Melinda

The thread bears out that they were indeed forgeries and it was a scam by the Kazakhs. That's why I highlighted the thread, not him. It's a thread on who the Kazakh's bought with stolen Kazakh natural resource proceeds. It's why I provide the links AND the quote.

Buying Blair, Clinton (Bill, not Hiligula), and dear Gerhard was quite the trifecta, at the time.

MJW

“Thirty days have September…”. Anyone know who and when and why the days of a month were decided?

That's an interesting question, but I'm not sure there's a clear answer. Obviously the reason months are around 30 days long is that the lunar cycle is about 29 1/2 days. The variation from 29 or 30 days each month is necessary in order to have the same number of full months per year, since there are about 12 1/2 lunar cycles per solar year.

Why the exact number of days were chosen for each month is a bit hard to determine. There's a detailed discussion of the history of the Roman calendar in Wikipedia, but I don't see a clear answer there.

The main question, it seems to me, is why February has only 28 days. One answer is that Rome originally had only ten months, and a 51 day non-month period of Winter. At some point it was decided to add two more months by borrowing days from the other months, to add to the 51 days. The new months were January and February. At that time, even numbers were thought unlucky, so the months were made 29 or 31 days. However, it isn't possible to make all the months odd and have 365 days, so February -- which was the last month in the Roman year -- was made even. (I'm not sure why it wasn't made 30 days by taking two days from a 31 day month.)

Marlene

Good afternoon! Cool and breezy in the woods today. Hubby is happy because our little Penobscot Paddlers campsite is being used tonight by people from Mississippi! They rented kayaks from the locally owned sporting goods store. I guess there isn't a campsite to be found in this area, so our neighbor who works part time at the store told them about the campsite. Hubby chatted with them while they set up camp. They drove from Mississippi to Vermont, then crossed to NH and drove up Mt. Washington. Now they're in the Maine woods at our campsite!

clarice

I don't see that this Fisher Ames (obvious pseudonym) reports that Mirtchev won the case. Did I miss something?

Narciso


Not even one degree of kevin bacom

https://mobile.twitter.com/nimkef/status/1421543160472276992

clarice

Indeed, "Ames" claims the documents which Mirtchev proved were forgeries are authentic.

Narciso

You cant deal with people this craven or stupid.

Narciso

Im proferring both explanations

Pinandpuller

“If "Silence of the Lambs" was set in 2021, Clarice Starling would be the WV girl who went to the Jan 6th rally and Buffalo Bill would be the FBI agent knocking at her door.”

Narciso

If this is what passes for financial intelligence no wonder were up a creek

Narciso

So someone sold simpson those magic beans was it steele where did he get them from, akhmetchin remember he was working with mccaina outfit.

Melinda

No, he does not.

Fisher Ames @nimkef
1d
Aliyev’s two admissions, along with analysis from Epstein and former Europol director Max-Peter Ratzel, caused Aliyev lawyers to withdraw the documents on which they had based their cases.


Aliyev’s forgeries used in legal proceedings on two continents, initially confused journalists and jurists.

By way of the Hourani's (cousins of Mahmud Abbas) Aliyev used “forgery-based litigation” as plaintiffs in UK’s High Court, World Bank tribunals, and a District Court DC.


Judges in each case discovered the forgeries and the docs were withdrawn.

Aliyev sought to escape investigations by marrying his assistant, whose EU passport enabled him to travel. Like a James Bond villain, he moved to a secure compound in Malta.

https://twitter.com/nimkef/status/1421196492228939785

Melinda

Hah!

Hoss Tagge, PhD
@hoss_tagge
Hilarious

Cruadin @cruadin
I work on the COVID floor at my hospital. It's full.

The entire floor + the ICU are at capacity w/ COVID patients — almost all unvaccinated.

https://twitter.com/hoss_tagge/status/1421577447242407943

Narciso

Secure compound in malta, good luck with that.

clarice

Re the court case, the documents against Krull and Mirtchev were not withdrawn voluntarily, they were proven forgeries to the satisfaction of the court :
Mirtchev
WASHINGTON (Legal Newsline) - Last month, a federal appeals court dismissed a lawsuit brought by two Kazakh businessmen who were using forged documents while claiming the daughter of the President of Kazakhstan extorted millions of dollars of their business assets with the help of a leading American economist and his D.C.-based business.
A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, in a July 31 ruling, sided with the economist, Alexander Mirtchev, and Krull Corporation.

Mirtchev is a senior scholar, founding council member of the Kissinger Institute on China and the United States at the Woodrow Wilson Center; vice president of the Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies, London; and board director and executive committee member of the Atlantic Council of the United States.

He also is the president and founder of Krull, a global strategic solutions provider. According to its website, the company assists organizations facing “complex issues relating to shifting business models and uncertain policies in dynamic markets.”

The D.C. Circuit affirmed the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia’s dismissal of the complaint, filed by Devincci Hourani and his brother Issam Hourani. The businessmen previously owned oil, broadcasting and publishing companies in the Republic of Kazakhstan.

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The defendants’ attorneys, with law firms Bracewell & Giuliani LLP and Sale & Quinn PC, said in a statement they are “pleased” with the D.C. Circuit’s ruling.

“This is the latest in three consecutive rebukes of the Houranis’ attempts to abuse U.S. courts by filing malicious complaints,” the firms said.

“These complaints were part of the failed legal harassment, PR and lobbying campaign formerly led by the Houranis’ relative, the late former Kazakhstan KGB (now KNB) Major General Rakhat Aliyev, who was the source of the fabricated documents that were the foundation of the case, the negative PR information, and the campaign.”

One of the documents the Houranis initially filed with the district court was a letter from Ashkat Daulbaev, the deputy prosecutor general of Kazakhstan, to the Kazakh ambassador to the United States.

The letter identified Mirtchev as responsible for the campaign of “intimidation and expropriation against the Houranis.”

However, Mirtchev and Krull challenged the Daulbaev letter and other documents as forgeries and moved to dismiss the complaint.

The defendants submitted a letter from the Kazakh chief of staff that said another document was a forgery.

“The office of Head of Presidential Administration is written incorrectly, namely, the word 'administration' is written with a small 'a', which could never be allowed,” Makhmud Bazarkulovich Kasymbekov wrote.

The defendants had sent the documents to counsel for the Republic of Kazakhstan to determine their authenticity. They later asked for the plaintiffs to be sanctioned.

“(T)his abuse of the judicial process raises such obvious and pernicious threats to the functioning of our judicial system,” they wrote. “Filing forged documents has been deemed a fraud on the court.”

Ultimately, the plaintiffs withdrew the documents, and Judge Thomas Hogan allowed them to amend their complaint. Hogan also denied the motion for sanctions as moot.

At issue was whether the complaint alleged sufficient domestic misconduct by Mirtchev and Krull to state a claim under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, the Hobbs Act or District of Columbia defamation law.

The district court dismissed the complaint for failure to state a claim, and the D.C. Circuit affirmed.

“The Houranis do not contend that their complaint states a claim of domestic Hobbs Act extortion by Mirtchev or anyone else. Nor do they assert that the actual extortion of their assets in Kazakhstan was itself in any way a violation of the Hobbs Act,” the panel wrote in its 28-page ruling.

“They argue only that Mirtchev’s agreement in D.C. to Dariga Nazarbayeva’s extraterritorial, non-Hobbs-Act extortion scheme in Kazakhstan constituted a conspiracy in the United States to violate the Hobbs Act.”

Also dismissed were claims for money laundering and defamation.

“With no injury from the money laundering, and no cognizable Hobbs Act claim to supply the missing injury either, the Houranis have no injurious predicate acts at all, let alone a pattern of them,” the D.C. Circuit wrote.

“The wheels have completely come off of the Houranis’ civil RICO claim.”

As to the defamation charges, the Houranis alleged that Mirtchev “published or caused to be published” a series of defamatory statements against them, including allegations -- as paraphrased in the complaint -- that they 1.) were members and supporters of the terrorist group Hamas, 2.) imported workers into Kazakhstan who were “trained in Islamic terrorist camps,” 3.) committed assault and 4.) owned an apartment in which a woman was falsely imprisoned and later murdered.

Those statements allegedly appeared on the website of the Kazakh Embassy in the United States “with the active support of the Kazakh ambassador,” in internal Kazakh government memoranda, in a document known as the “Aliyev Dossier” produced by the “Eurasian Transition Group,” in an editorial on Forbes.com and in “various other Internet publications.”

However, as the D.C. Circuit noted in its opinion, apart from alleging that the Embassy statements were published “on December 18, 2008” and that the other statements were published some time “in 2008,” the complaint does not provide any further detail on when or where the statements appeared or their actual content.

“There simply is no basis for finding that the statements were defamatory for purposes of Mirtchev’s and Krull Corporation’s liability without also finding that they were defamatory when coming out of the Kazakhstan government’s mouth,” the panel wrote.

Indeed, as attorneys for Mirtchev and Krull argued in a brief to the D.C. Circuit ahead of the ruling, the situation is unusual.

“To resolve plaintiffs’ claim, a U.S. court would have to ‘sit in judgment on the acts of the government of another,’” the defendants’ attorneys wrote in a July 20 brief.

John Quinn of Sale & Quinn, who served as co-counsel on the case, said Friday the plaintiffs' claims in this case should not have been filed in any court and “certainly had no business before U.S. courts where they have now been rebuked three times.”

“The only ‘factual’ support for any claim against defendants was fabricated documents generated by General [Rakhat] Aliyev that were proven to be forgeries by world class experts, including renowned document examiner Gideon Epstein who characterized plaintiffs’ evidence as cut and paste forgeries,” Quinn said.

“This case was part of a broader effort to support the political agenda of the plaintiffs’ relative, the late Gen. Rakhat Aliyev, former head of Kazakhstan’s KNB (formerly KGB) to bully and intimidate anyone perceived to oppose that agenda.”

According to court documents, trouble started brewing for the Houranis in June 2007, when armed agents of the KNB -- the Kazakh offshoot of the KGB -- raided the Hourani family’s offices.

In the following weeks, “pressure from various authorities mounted,” allegedly under the direction of Dariga Nazarbayeva, daughter of Kazakhstan’s President, Nursultan Nazarbayev.

According to court documents, Devincci met with Dariga in July 2007 and she then offered to use her influence with the government to try to “protect” his family’s businesses from further harassment if he would sign over his family’s shares in the mass media companies in which they held interests.

Devincci, who believed he had no choice in the matter, signed the paperwork to turn over his, Issam’s and Issam’s wife’s shares in KTK Television and Alma Media Conglomerate -- the largest media holding company in Kazakhstan -- to Dariga for her use.

In an amended complaint, though, Devincci allegedly signed over the shares to the “First Presidential Fund.” It is not explained what the fund is or whether Dariga controls it.

The complaint further alleges that Dariga sought the assistance of the defendants, Mirtchev and his consulting firm, Krull.

According to court documents, Dariga’s plan to amass control of Kazakh media was alleged to be “consistent with” Mirtchev’s earlier recommendation to President Nazarbayev, made in a memorandum informally known as the “Superkhan” document. Mirtchev allegedly had counseled the President on how he could consolidate power for himself and his family at the expense of business leaders.

Bracewell attorneys working on the case included partners Richard W. Beckler, Mark K. Lewis and Jeffrey L. Oldham, and associates Britt Cass Steckman, Jennifer T. Lias, Brittany M. Pemberton and Caitlin Tweed.

Steve Sale of Sale & Quinn and G. Robert Blakey also served as co-counsel.

Jeff Lamken of MoloLamken LLP argued the case in the D.C. Circuit.

clarice

As an aside Gideon Epstein was a forensic document examiner I worked with at OSI. There is none better.

Melinda

Talcum X, livin' large.

Scott Greenfield
@ScottGreenfield
This is my shocked face.

New York Post @nypost
Activist Shaun King lives lavishly in lakefront New Jersey home trib.al/EDjw7xd

https://twitter.com/ScottGreenfield/status/1421580141130563591

Narciso

So they were poor forgeries a child could havw ascertained but glenn simpson...

Melinda

I think we're taking a bit past each other. Here's a paragraph from your article:


"Ultimately, the plaintiffs withdrew the documents, and Judge Thomas Hogan allowed them to amend their complaint. Hogan also denied the motion for sanctions as moot."

I take that is the judge letting officers of the court fix their own problem. Quite reasonable, given the circumstances and or potential consequences.


Back to Ames, and the thread is actually over a hundred posts long, and I tried to add some more of it but Typhuspad ate it for me. Not going to make anyone suffer through reading all that.

But in the EU case, Austrian prosecutors got a hold of Aliyev's Skype account to grab clips of him giving the actual instructions as to what to forge and how big the forgeries should be.

Melinda

Mr. G. Epstein came across as the heavy hitter in this instance. The right person for the job at the time.

clarice

el, the problem with twitter--obvious here. Is that it's snippets and incoherent unless you want to spend hours reading the story backwards.

Melinda

I still find the Kazakh background noise interesting.

Narciso

Oil the devils excrement, sadly makes greedy people do stupid things to control it. Note who doesnt come up rakhiyev who is hunters patron, the ones who pay guiffra his meal ticket. They arent turning up quality people from balashika

Narciso

Its as old as the our man in havana with wurmold or farther back to reilly and zinoviev telegram

Melinda

Uranium comes up, as well.

Melinda

"No need for facts, just run with it."

The Hill
@thehill
CDC stopped tracking breakthrough cases as delta variant spread hill.cm/4QfX85p

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1421590760475041798

Melinda

Twitter Suspends Science Writer After He Posts Results Of Pfizer Clinical Test


Now all three posters (Berenson, The Post, and The Times) were citing studies and accused on not putting them into context. However, only Berenson was suspended...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/twitter-suspends-science-writer-after-he-posts-results-pfizer-clinical-test

matt - deplore me if you must

This all sounds like a bad James Bond or Flint movie to me. Forged documents proffered and withdrawn? Kazakh businessmen double and triple crossing each other. Is Hunter Biden somehow involved?

How many paintings did he sell to the president of Kazakhstan? Are the Azerbaijanis aware of this skullduggery? Who is the mystery man from Baku?

Aren't mysterious supercriminals supposed to use encrypted satellite phones and dead drops?

And where the hell is John Durham?

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Mirtchev may be a great guy but the company he keeps stinks; Kissinger Institute on China and the United States at the Woodrow Wilson Center; vice president of the Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies, London; and board director and executive committee member of the Atlantic Council of the United States.

Don't know much about the middle one, but the bookends deserve about three of those little green barfing emojis each.

clarice

Twitter is ahole we know. The format stinks ans is incompatible with linear comprehension and Dorsey is crazy.

Narciso

Thats why they didnt have to make up stuff you want to bet those documents are in the kazakh desk at langley at vauxhall cross

Narciso

Look at the tripe they plug everywhere, mostly contradictory i noted that simpson and schmidt from 2008, (was steele alreadty working for deripaska)

Melinda

Jack Posobiec
@JackPosobiec
Never seen the video from this angle before - why hasn't @SpeakerPelosi released all of it?

JR Majewski @JRMajewski
Did the Capitol Police incite the violence at the Capitol Building on Jan 6th?

It appears so according to this video.

@DanNewsManBall @RealMattCouch @EricMMatheny @DonaldJTrumpJr @bennyjohnson

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1421499047777652739

clarice

Here is the most sensible thing I've read on the international public health response to Covid.https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1340352565481975812.html?fbclid=IwAR2oYD3M_KNfzqIhQf8W3RAvMa_IshibDzYumYktabzcrefzevJxElbXD9A


Iggy, I suppose he could list other organizations and doubtless he belongs to other more to your taste, but if you want to make money running a strategy company, I think these are not bad contact and information gathering venues. It's like Bilderberg--If you want to know what these people think and are planning you'd be nuts to turn down an invitation.

Narciso

Libel tourism works for the auchis the bin mahfouzes the qadis of the world often they cannot be referred except through paralepsis or some other trick.

Narciso

Heh


https://mobile.twitter.com/ltthompso/status/1421499535474446340

Narciso

Shirley
https://mobile.twitter.com/AUChizad/status/1421285449734230018

Jane

MJW,

Thank you. That is very interesting!

Narciso

Fahrfegnugen


https://mobile.twitter.com/omriceren/status/1421502164921368578

Barbara

https://babylonbee.com/news/american-womens-soccer-team-defeated-after-opponents-play-us-national-anthem-during-game-forcing-them-to-kneel-the-whole-time

Narciso

A reminder


https://jimmysllama.com/2017/04/01/more-than-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-uranium-one-and-how-ruslan-tsarni-played-a-role/

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

If you want to make money running a strategy company, these days especially, your company is going to be pit vipers and other types of serpents. And if you're known by the company you keep well I guess that's the risk of that line of work.
No doubt there are many honorable people wading about through the gigantic fetid swamp enveloping the upper echelons of global power. They should consider that the rest of us are past the point of caring or differentiating between who is and isn't honorable in that swamp.

jim nj

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2021/07/29/imagine-if-they-hadnt-lied-to-us-for-the-last-18-months-n2593208

Melinda

This looks interesting::


Nutrition and your mind : the psychochemical response

https://www.alibris.com/Nutrition-and-your-mind-the-psychochemical-response-George-Watson/book/4766323?matches=12

Narciso

Almost two years ago, dorsey tried to deplatform him


https://mobile.twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi/status/1421573421541076996

Narciso


Since hes has faucis number

https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveDeaceShow/status/1421472686275022851

jim nj

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/a-civilizational-crisis/

A country that has children is a healthy country that is worth living in. It takes courage to protect that kind of country.

Interesting reading. Odd out-take:

"The Democrats are talking about giving the vote to sixteen-year olds. But let’s do this instead: let’s give votes to all children in this country, but let’s give control over those votes to the parents of those children. When you go to the polls in this country, as a parent, you should have more power. You should have more of an ability to speak your voice in our democratic republic than people who don’t have kids. Let’s face the consequences and the reality. If you don’t have as much of an investment in the future of this country, maybe you shouldn’t get nearly the same voice."

Pinandpuller

If pigs would just get vaccinated we wouldn’t be facing an African Swine Fever Pandemic.

Narciso


Yikes

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1421596946654015493

That should be fair warning, no one does a good job anymore

Narciso

Still going
https://babalublog.com/2021/07/31/reports-from-cuba-heavy-state-security-presence-and-arrests-in-mayari-cuba/#comments

Narciso


Unsurprising

https://mobile.twitter.com/ProfMJCleveland/status/1421216371501846534

clarice

https://www.theepochtimes.com/california-union-opposes-newsoms-vaccine-order_3927247.html

clarice

From Big League Politics which typepad won't let me link to:r. Stella Immanuel, the pro-hydroxychloroquine doctor who was derided by the fake news media for attempting to save lives near the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic, is striking back against CNN.

Immanuel has launched a $100 million lawsuit against CNN and host Anderson Cooper for what she believes were false and defamatory statements made against her character.
“A new study has demonstrated that treating COVID-19 with hydroxychloroquine makes patients 84 percent less likely to be hospitalizedThe study is set to be published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents in December. It has determined that “low-dose hydroxychloroquine combined with zinc and azithromycin was an effective therapeutic approach against COVID-19.”

The doctors came to their conclusions after treating 141 coronavirus patients with hydroxychloroquine for five days. They compared them with a control group of 377 coronavirus patients who did not receive hydroxychloroquine as a treatment. They found that “the odds of hospitalization of treated patients was 84% less than in the untreated patients.” Only one patient from the group treated with hydroxychloroquine died while 13 people died in the other group…

The elites are suppressing hydroxychloroquine because they want the public to feel helpless against the virus. They never intend to give the public their liberties back, hoping that the public will accept a “new normal” of globalism and technocracy.“

clarice

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/07/cdc_director_rochelle_walensky_brushes_off_the_idea_of_illegals_spreading_covid_at_the_border_and_promises_guidelines_someday.html

clarice

https://jonathanturley.org/2021/07/31/twitter-suspends-science-writer-after-he-posts-results-of-pfizer-clinical-test/

clarice

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/7/30/22602534/trump-property-tax-refund-1-million-cook-county-lawsuit-chicago-illinois-attorney-general

(the 12:46 article is about Walensky refusing to deal with the Covid illegals entering the country).

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

Margot Cleveland is a treasure.

clarice

You betcha, Iggy.

Melinda

Heheheheh, that’s a precursor to the Burke and impending Madigan cases.

Total confirm in my eyes. End game in play….

clarice

Explain that in English to me, Mel,pls. It sailed right over my head.

Pinandpuller

What happened to Garth Brooks? I distinctly remember rain pouring down during portions of his Yankee Stadium concert.

On a similar note, what happened to Interstate Drive? It runs just East of the stadium on the edge of the parking lot. They have the prefab concrete barriers lined up on both sides and approximately 16’ tall prefab steel fencing on top of that. Either Congress is meeting or they’re turning the Quality and La Quinta Inns as FEMA camps.

WJOM Country

Garth Brooks-Every Time It Rains (I Take a Mental Health Day) https://youtu.be/vVpIxJnVGfE

henry

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/08/the_three_horsemen_of_the_bidenapocalypse.html

Pinandpuller

Now we know what it takes to get a Black man arrested in America: https://www.pafirenews.net/truck-driver-dumped-gas-that-caused-brookhaven-fuel-spill-da/

clarice

Good morning, JOM. Thanks, Henry.

Melinda

Ald. Ed Burke, and his law firm, handle successful real estate reassessment for Cook County. State Rep. Mike Madigan, who just happened to be the IL House Speaker for most of his adult life, handled successful real estate tax reassessment for everywhere else in IL except Cook County. Burke has been indicted. Madigan has been fingered as Public Official "A' or "#1" in a number of other plea deals with known flunkies with the US Atty of the Northern District of IL.

If they get to Madigan, the rest of the IL Machine goes with him, including the entire Congressional delegation. All of it.

clarice

I understand that, but I don't see how the Trump tax return is a "precursor"to the Burke and Madigan criminal proceedings.

Melinda

Because money never, ever, ever gets reversed out of The IL Machine, unless something else is tied to it. Operation Greylord had this as one of its hallmarks.

Melinda

Starless
@starless941
No shit? There’s a double standard? Why has no one mentioned this before!!!! thefederalist.com/2021/07/29/rep…

https://twitter.com/starless941/status/1421818598092414982

Melinda

Really?

We reported that Claire Woodall-Vogg was working alone late at night with the voting machines in Milwaukee. Her actions then were suspect, now they are borderline criminal.

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Uncovered Email Shows Milwaukee Elections Executive Woodall-Vogg Laughing About the Election Steal on Election Night

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/breaking-exclusive-uncovered-email-shows-milwaukee-elections-executive-woodall-vogg-laughing-election-steal-election-night/

Melinda

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2021/07/31/ooops-unfortunate-politifact-job-tweet-says-come-join-our

OOOPS: Unfortunate PolitiFact Job Tweet Says 'Come Join Our Misinformation Team'

Tim Graham

July 31st, 2021 7:49 AM

https://twitter.com/billdmccarthy/status/1420748483645083648

Melinda

But wait, there's more!

REVEALED: Milwaukee Elections Executive Woodall-Vogg Who Laughed About the Election Steal on Election Night Was Caught Handing Over Sensitive Election Data to Liberal Groups Before Election

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/revealed-milwaukee-elections-executive-woodall-vogg-laughed-election-steal-election-night-caught-handing-sensitive-election-data-liberal-groups-election/

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

Michael Smith
1h ·
My word for the day is "intemperate" - meaning immoderate in indulgence of appetite or passion; not temperate; unrestrained; unbridled.
Edmund Burke wrote:
"Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites, — in proportion as their love to justice is above their rapacity, — in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption, — in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters."
I focused on these words:
"...men of intemperate minds cannot be free."
Wow. That sentence is prima facie evidence that there are some simple truths that transcend time and space.
An argument can be made we are living in a time when intemperate minds rule.
As the glorious caffeine began to disperse throughout my body this morning, tempering my thoughts, my mind turned to the intemperate among us, considering how it came to be that we are ruled by such irrational madness.
I remembered Plato's Allegory of the Cave.
In Plato's allegory, prisoners are made to spend their entire lives in an underground cave with its mouth open towards the sun. They are shackled by their legs. Their necks are restrained so they only see in front of them, looking toward the the back of the cave. Behind the prisoners, a fire is blazing, and between them and the fire there is a low wall behind which men carry diverse statues above their heads, such that the fire casts the shadows of the statues onto the back of the cave. These shadows are the only thing the prisoners have ever seen, so they suppose the shadows are the objects themselves.
Then assume a prisoner escapes and turns towards the light, his eyes will seem blinded, he will suffer sharp pains, but in time they grow accustomed to the light and he begins see the statues in detail, rather than just the shadows. Dragged out of the cave in to the sunlight, it is so bright he is only able to look at the shadows, and then at the reflections of the actual objects. At last, he is able to gaze directly upon the objects themselves, of which the statues were but pale imitations. In time, he looks up at the sun, and understands that the sun is the cause of everything that he sees around him, of light, and sight, and the objects of sight.

Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma

The rain was pouring down outside O'Connor's Irish Pub. There standing in front of a big puddle outside the pub was an old Irishman, drenched, holding a stick, with a piece of string dangling in the water.

A passer-by stopped and asked him, "What are you doing?"

“Fishing” replied the old man.

Feeling sorry for the old man, the gent says, “Come in out of the rain and have a drink with me.”

In the warm ambiance of the pub, as they sip their whiskies, the gentleman, being a bit of a superior smart ass, cannot resist asking, "So how many have you caught today?”

"You're the eighth," replied the old man.

Jack Lillywhite

A good one, Steph🤩

Irish jokes are more reality versus pure fiction.

MissMarple2

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/wisconsin-home-explosion-kills-one

Why I hate gas ovens.

Jane

Excellent Pieces today Clarice!

clarice

Thnx.

MissMarple2

I highly recommend Dan Carlin's Hardcore History. The episodes are on You Tube as audio only, so they are perfect for listening to as you do chores. I am currently listening to a 3-part series on the Persian-Greek wars (Cyrus, Xerxes, Darius the Great) and have learned a lot of fascinating details. Each episode is pretty long, so don't expect to cover it on your lunch hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7CmBN741Vw&list=TLPQMDEwODIwMjHPWO1LUCmbhA&index=3

Above is the link to Kings of Kings, part one. Length is 3 1/2 hours.

Barbara

Mel @9:37 am,

Re: Woodall-Vogg – somebody's talking. Maybe a lot of somebodys.

If they did this in Wisconsin, the likelihood is that they did it in other key states. Perhaps in all the states, perhaps for years.

henry

Barbara, the WI emails have been out for a while. WI has a strong public records law. The legislature is sitting on them.

That said, the same Zuck crew funded all the states in question.

Barbara

That said, the same Zuck crew funded all the states in question.

Henry,

Very interesting. Previous elections since Ronald Reagan, provide a glimpse of how this scheme may have developed. I'm thinking of Clinton (both B & H), Kerry in 2004, and of course Obama in 2012.

During the early part of 2016 campaign, Hillary Clinton told a group of reporters something to the effect of 'Let's face it. I'm going to be the next president of the United States.' For someone so disliked with her dismal record, I thought it an audacious, unrealistic statement at the time. As it happened, the democrats churned out millions of popular votes, but their weak candidate who ran an almost nonexistent campaign could not deliver the states necessary to win. With Sherman like precision, Trump cut a swath right through the middle of the country taking states that the dems assumed would go to their candidate.

This time, with the aid of the bloated tech giants and the CCP, they were taking no chances especially with a candidate even worse than HRC. Perhaps there was no other way but to let it happen. The reveal may be the tonic the nation needs.

jim nj

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