More "Surprising No One Who Was Paying Attention"

OK, Kyle Rittenhouse was found Not Guilty on all the major charges as well as all the minor ones. One more Team Blue show trial ends up in rubble and Robby Soave of Reason pokes at the wreckage (Yes, I am having a George Zimmerman flashback.) Do these people think self-defense should be illegal if the attacker fails to bring a gun to what turns into a gunfight? Not how it works.

PILING ON: I am having a hard time picking my favorite quote from the Times wishcasting. I love this from the DA:

“Certainly, issues regarding the privilege of self-defense remain highly contentious in our current times,” said Mr. Graveley..."

"Privilege" of self-defense?!? Well, maybe-ish, in the sense that there are restrictions on self-defense rights. But most rights have some limits. Eg, we don't talk about the 'privilege' of a free press even though we have laws against libel.

Well. I thought that comment would take the prize but this was strong competition:

But some prosecution witnesses gave complex accounts that were not wholly favorable to the prosecution’s case.

Do tell. C'mon, Times readers have seen the verdict - now the reporter is easing them out of the cocoon!

Richie McGinniss, a videographer for a conservative news and opinion site, witnessed the first shooting, when Mr. Rittenhouse shot and killed Joseph Rosenbaum, who had chased him into a parking lot and was rushing at him.

Mr. McGinniss gave the defense a crucial piece of testimony: He said he saw Mr. Rosenbaum lunge at Mr. Rittenhouse and reach for the barrel of Mr. Rittenhouse’s rifle.

“He threw his momentum toward the weapon,” Mr. McGinnis said of Mr. Rosenbaum.

That appeared to support Mr. Rittenhouse’s emotional testimony about his state of mind on Aug. 25, 2020, the night of the shooting. “If I would have let Mr. Rosenbaum take my firearm from me, he would have used it and killed me with it, and probably killed more people,” Mr. Rittenhouse said on the stand.

Other prosecution witnesses also gave testimony that helped the defense.

Gaige Grosskreutz, the only one of the three men Mr. Rittenhouse shot who survived, testified that he chased Mr. Rittenhouse after Mr. Rosenbaum was shot because he “thought that the defendant was an active shooter.” Mr. Grosskreutz, an emergency medical technician, was armed with a handgun, which he took out.

Mr. Grosskreutz described the encounter as he was shown photos that captured him pointing his gun at Mr. Rittenhouse, who shot him in the arm.

“It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him with your gun — now your hands down, pointed at him — that he fired, right?” Corey Chirafisi, a defense lawyer, asked.

“Correct,” Mr. Grosskreutz replied.

The jurors saw video showing the third victim, Anthony Huber, hitting Mr. Rittenhouse with a skateboard before Mr. Rittenhouse shot and killed him. The video gave the defense added fodder for the self-defense argument.

 

Comments

[matt - deplore me if you must]

first!

[Narciso]

think is a step too far, but understand the logic of this persecution, the rioters must have 'space to destroy' any attempt to secure your life and property is forfeit,

[Narciso]

the prosecution had no case, there is no fodder or mudder involved

https://twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1461858933224656900

[Narciso]

grosskeutz was a member of people's revolution with a criminal record, who was not authorized to have a weapon,

[Narciso]

who can forget how cowardly black rifle coffee was, former operators who deal with murderous thugs who are often our allies, yet an seventeen year old kid, that was a bridge too far,

[Jane]

OT; weird curling match only 2 people per side. When did the become a thing?

[Comanche Voter]

Huber's family is whining tonight that "Huber was murdered". Well if some sumbitch is whacking me in the head with a skateboard (twice) and looks like he's fixing to do it again--and I've got a rifle in my hands. Well that boy is going to have a couple of extra holes in his carcass--and it won't be murder to do so.

[bubarooni]

"“It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him with your gun — now your hands down, pointed at him — that he fired, right?” Corey Chirafisi, a defense lawyer, asked."

He coulda said 'No! That's not happened!'

I'm guessing his lawyer told him that woulda been something called perjury based on video evidence and said 'don't do that'.

wise counsel to say the least.

[Melinda]

A very serious leftist philosopher makes some salient points:

https://newsletter.martingeddes.com/p/the-saviours-of-humanity?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo0NTE3MDc3NywicG9zdF9pZCI6NDQzMjIxMDgsIl8iOiJPUXlraSIsImlhdCI6MTYzNzM4NjYyOCwiZXhwIjoxNjM3MzkwMjI4LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItNDU3NTU3Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.PwkvxrIeXmIQZ48xu7Epp8BGv-x5nlFdnkNDDiigUbE

[Jack Lillywhite]

Back in the no-can-sleep bubble. Woke again at 0030hrs. Just closed my eyes, played some classical music in my head. Didn't work.

So, here I am. Fully awake but thankfully not woke.

On first cuppa.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--"Privilege" of self-defense?!? Well, maybe-ish, in the sense that there are restrictions on self-defense rights.--

In defense of this indefensible dickhead, presumably he is discussing the legal doctrine of the "privilege" of self defense overcoming a charge of homicide in the same way "privileged" speech can overcome a charge of defamation.
Those privileges are legal terms of art distinct from the associated rights of self defense and freedom of speech.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I'm in the same bubble JiB.
Used to use diphenhydramine as a side effect free, non habit forming sleep aid, and a highly effective one. Unfortunately I just learned of the considerable evidence that prolonged use of it does have the slight side effect of raising your chances of developing dementia over 50%.
So I'll probably be getting lots more done with four extra hours of wakefulness per day. Or I'll be sleepwalking.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

--Mr. Grosskreutz, an emergency medical technician, was armed with a handgun, which he took out.--

An EMT, eh?
The more immediately pertinent bit of his biography related to him taking out his handgun is that he is a wild eyed communist totalitarian who ought to be locked up in the pound with the other feral animals.

[sbwaters]

So, TM, since you pulled those spins from the #NYTimes, you must have gained enough insight that you now read it for entertainment and New Thread ideas, not news? ;-)

[Jim Eagle]

Iggy,

The most annoying thing about no-sleep, up to early, is that for the next 6-8 hours you keep nodding off. Even watching sports on TV or doing that internet thingy.

[sbwaters]

Atually, JIB, the reason you are restless is that in the back of your mind you are actually trying to figure out where to put all that stuff shipped down from New York.

[Jim Eagle]

As seen on FB: LOL!

PARKING TICKET: My wife and I went into town and visited a shop. When we came out, there was a cop writing out a parking ticket. We went up to him and I said, "Come on man, how about giving a senior citizen a break?" He just ignored us and continued writing the ticket.
I called him an "a**hole." He glared at me and started writing another ticket for having worn-out tires.
So my wife called him a "s*ithead." He finished the second ticket and put it on the windshield with the first. Then he started writing more tickets.
This went on for about 20 minutes. The more we abused him, the more tickets he wrote. He finally finished, sneered at us and walked away. Just then our bus arrived, and we got on it and went home.
We always look for cars with Biden stickers. We try to have a little fun each day now that we're retired. It's so important at our age!!

[Jim Eagle]

SBW,

No. That is going to be Mrs. JiB's science project when gets back later today:) I'll watch the dogs and the games on TV.

[Narciso]

yes it's like tetris, but the layout of your place,

the times don't groove on the more interesting angles, they go for pre made pulp,

[henry]

On the “privilege” thing. Keep in mind the DA is a Dem. To Dems we have no god given rights. Only what few privileges the government allows. Use of guns, pronouns, or ivermectin are allowed only to the extent a bureaucrat approves.

[Narciso]

full gotham

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10223819/Gang-14-Chicago-thieves-ransack-Louis-Vuitton-store-make-120-000.html

[MissMarple2]

Narciso,

Are you surprised about the Louis Vuitton robbery? I am not.

Pretty soon the demand for designer goods is going to wane as consumers figure out carrying something like a Vuitton bag is going to mark you as a criminal or paint you as a target.

[Narciso]

its the price of enabling prog governance and media,

[Narciso]

rioters vandals, looters, those are the proper terms,

https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/19/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-protests-nyc/

[Sammy Small]

Jim Eagle: good one on the parking ticket

Henry: Your pronoun comment brought up a funny incident I recall. When in Europe in the 70's, we often flew to Germany on weekend training missions. On one such mission, I was flying with a newly arrived Lieutenant in the back seat who was a country boy from Kentucky.
We landed at Furstenfeldbruck airbase and went to base ops where he needed a bathroom break after the flight. He wandered over to where the restroom entrance was and saw the word "Herren" on the door. He suddenly returned to the ops desk and said "I found the Herren, but where is the Hisen?" True story.

[Jim Eagle]

A FB Commenter: LOL

David Wimberly
The doctors had a real surprise yesterday when Joe got his colonoscopy….the found his head!

[Jim Eagle]

...they...

[henry]

NYT, so no link.

@byronyork

'When asked if the president had been made aware of his son’s connection to the sale, a White House spokesman said, 'No.'' From NYT: 'How Hunter Biden’s Firm Helped Secure Cobalt for the Chinese.'

[henry]

This puzzles me as well. Same Dems prosecuting a self defense action.

@holidarity

Meanwhile in Kenosha County, the state is still fighting the court ruling that Chrystul Kizer, who, at age 17 killed her trafficker, should be allowed to argue an affirmative defense. #FreeChrystulKizer #AbolishTheState

https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/prosecutors-plan-to-appeal-chrystul-kizer-defense-decision-to-supreme-court/article_186ba9bc-5dfa-5260-b5ee-ae96a4f9974c.html

[Narciso]

the prosecutors work for the criminals, henry,

[Narciso]

meanwhile the real enemy

https://dossier.substack.com/p/the-war-on-the-unvaccinated-is-a

[Jim Eagle]

Regarding Louis Vuitton, why don't they use those $20 knockoff's for modeling that is displayed and go to the backroom to retrieve an actual product for the purchaser?

[clarice]

If there's another no justice no peace riot would I be wrong to say a bargain Vuitton Hermes bag would make a lovely Christmas present?
Anyway, I'm glad TM is reading the NYT with his glasses on today.

[Witt Holmes]

If Tom Maguire had paid any attention to the actual trial, he'd know that the "privilege of self defense" is the exact language of the law and jury instructions and was used countless times by the defense counsel in closing arguments to the jury. When you are defending yourself from a credible threat, you have the privilege to kill the bastard. If he has a problem with that he should run for the state legislature in Wisconsin and change the words.

[Witt Holmes]

Maguire should have watched the trial he's writing about. McGinniss was challenged by the asshole DA that "you don't know what was going through Mr. Rosenbaum's mind at that time do you?"
McGinniss: "Well he said 'F*ck you' and grabbed Kyle's gun."
(from memory)
So that was one of the quotes of the trial. Somehow Maguire missed that.

[Buckeye]

Ohio State 49
Michigan State 0

Not quite halftime:)

[Narciso]

whats the point after that, buckeye,

[henry]

Going through Rosenbaum’s mind at that time? Approx 55 grains of lead.

[Narciso]

rimshot, henry,

[Stephanie Nene Not Your Normal Granma]

Report of an active shooter at Atlanta Hartsfield Airport...

[Narciso]

oh really,

https://twitter.com/russvought/status/1462100449335595017

[Jim Eagle]

Stephanie, supposedly fake news.

[henry]

Good guy in Congress.

@fitzgeraldforwi

Good luck to all the hunters! May our sights be straight and our aim be true. #OpeningDay

https://twitter.com/fitzgeraldforwi/status/1462142599347818502?s=21

[Jim Eagle]

Isn't Black Friday a racial insult since everything is now cheaper so those repressed people can now afford to buy this shit?

[Narciso]

oh sorry for noticing

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-accuses-u-s-of-fueling-nuclear-war-panic-after-official-warns-of-attack/ar-AAQUPwI?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[anonamom]

Atually, JIB, the reason you are restless is that in the back of your mind you are actually trying to figure out where to put all that stuff shipped down from New York.

Or all the blue light you are getting from screens.
Either get those glasses, or try not watching/reading anything on a screen after four.

Oh--and stop drinking then too. People who live at this house notice a HUGE effect of alcohol on sleep (sadly). Like boy oh boy--do we sleep well during Lent.

Taking melatonin??? Hot bath/shower around 7??

(I've woken up multiple times this week at 1:30 too. Have NO IDEA why.)

[Marlene]

Good afternoon! I'm addicted to a dab of lavender oil on my wrists when I go to bed. A diffuser works also.
Hubby had a terrible bout of insomnia 20+ years ago. His body clock adjusted to a sleep pattern of early to bed early to rise. (8-4). Whatever works. :)

[DCSCA]

Ohio State 49
Michigan State 0

The score:

Joe starts his 80th year on Earth today.

... and Putin smiled.

[henry]

Someone is obsessed with Putin… kinda deep state creepy. LMAO

[Davod]

JimEagle. I am sorry your sleep problem returned. At least you have some interesting solutions provided by posters.

The parking inspector joke was great. Was it a joke?

[Davod]

Henry and Clarice:

I do not understand how the prosecution can attack a defendant's right to claim an affirmative defense?

[henry]

Davod, neither do I. Except they are Dems, so rules don’t apply.

[Davod]

Antifa Forced To Postpone Riot As Brick Supply Still Stuck On Cargo Ship

[I can see the headlines: Biden Administration policies adversely affecting minority rights.]

https://babylonbee.com/news/oh-no--antifa-brick-supply-sitting-in-cargo-ship-off-the-coast-of-la

[henry]

OK then, the buses have been arranged. So the “peaceful” camouflage can be scheduled. Just like summer 2020. It gets ugly after dark.

@cbs58

According to multiple reports, community organizers, faith leaders and activists will gather Sunday for a community event in Kenosha.

https://cbs58.com/news/state-representative-david-bowen-organizers-to-gather-with-blake-family-for-community-event-sunday

[henry]

Note: all the activists including Blake’s uncle crossed state lines to get to Kenosha.

[Davod]

This is one of the replies to a tweet linked to earlier (58 secs):

https://twitter.com/i/status/1462080182924328961

[MissMarple2]

I slept 10 1/2 hours last night. They have me on oxygen at night and my sister says several of her friends are on it for sleep apnea. Maybe that’s what’s wrong with me.

[Davod]

MM2. Interesting. Are you back in hospital?

[henry]

Davod, nobody sleeps 10 1/2 hours in a hospital… nurses wake you up every hour.

Miss M, glad the O2 helps!

[Dave (in MA)]

wretchardthecat@wretchardthecat·

'You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me burning coal -- you need me making solar panels in Xinjiang!'

[Davod]

From Ace:

"Baby, it's you" from the 70s (3:42).

https://youtu.be/eqM3P7LziIc

[MissMarple2]

Davod,

I am at my son’s, because his office is only 7 miles from his house. That way he can check on me during the day.

Also I can bitch about Biden without my daughter getting upset!

Ha! 😄

[Neo]

For the West Nile virus, they are putting Ivermectin in bird feeders which helps suppress the disease because birds are a carrier of the misquito-borne disease.

Ivermectin looks like it is good for a lot of things.

[Davod]

From Ace:

This is different, for ballroom dancing (3:04):

Barbie Dance by Alexander & Veronika Voskalchuk

https://youtu.be/GbOyrriyE80

[Davod]

Ps. You have to watch it to the end.

[bubarooni]

Man!

I hate leaves in the fall...

I missed all the games today due to the darn things including the ND game.

I suppose I could turn on the IU game but it's a tough year to be an Indiana fan.

[henry]

Deceased Pedo sues Kyle.

Denver-area attorney Milo Schwab has filed a civil lawsuit in connection to the deadly shooting perpetrated last year in Kenosha, Wisconsin, by Kyle Rittenhouse, who was recently found not guilty of homicide after claiming to have acted in self-defense. Schwab represents the family of Joseph Rosenbaum, who was among those killed by Rittenhouse, and Gaige Grosskreutz, who Rittenhouse shot on that same night. Schwab said that with the civil case, those behind it will be “reaching for larger questions” — it targets local officials in Kenosha, questioning their treatment of the circumstances surrounding the violence that Rittenhouse perpetrated.

https://bipartisanreport.com/2021/11/20/civil-lawsuit-filed-in-kyle-rittenhouse-case-as-nation-reels/

Can we disbar this ambulance chaser?

[Davod]

Ace's garden post has too many good articles, so I will just list Ace's address. Just scroll down for a couple of posts.

http://ace.mu.nu/

[Davod]

Dave (in MA). Good comment by Wretchard.

[Narciso]

good questions

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/11/19/how-did-ordinary-american-people-become-domestic-terrorists-in-the-eyes-of-the-deep-state/

[Narciso]

this dweeb

https://www.ascendcounsel.co/

[Narciso]

furthermore,

https://www.linkedin.com/in/miloschwab

us senate staffer, sky dragon worshiper

[Narciso]

oh really

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfjRYYCZ9_4

[Davod]

Henry: When I was in a military hospital in Australia, they used to wake you up and 4:00 AM, and tell you to take a shower and get ready for Dr's rounds. It wasn't about patient welfare, it was about having a spotless ward.

After the first time I was operated on in that hospital. The matron started screaming at me

"Why didn't you tell us you are allergic to the anesthesia" Apparently, I almost died, because of the anesthesia.

HTF was I supposed to know. It was the first time I was operated on!!!!

[Davod]

PS. Rounds started at 8:00 AM.

[Davod]

"Sean Chilson
@SeanChilson_
·
7h
Sources familiar with discussions in the North Pole have confirmed that there is a positive correlation between registering Republican and being on the nice list"

https://twitter.com/SeanChilson_/status/1462095247060709391/photo/1

[henry]

So what happens to those hunks of disappearing crust as they dive into Earth's milky interior?

It turns out that they get weak and bendy, like a slinky snake toy, but they don't disintegrate completely, new modeling shows. The models also suggested that plate tectonics, at least in its modern form, likely only got going in the past billion years.

https://www.livescience.com/what-happens-sinking-tectonic-plates

[Davod]

The picture included with the brick article is pretty good:

https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-9937-1.jpg

[henry]

Davod, my hospital experience is much more recent. Cardio / neuro issues. Apparently I run low* or something when sleeping… BP, pulse, and respiration drop off a cliff while blood oxygen is good. Monitoring systems don’t like that and go on Chicken Little alarm levels. So I get woken up all the damn time.

* one nurse said that is common in endurance athletes… which I was 45 years earlier.

[matt - deplore me if you must]

All of those stolen LV status symbols. What a shame. Next they'll be ransacking the Hermes scarf section and selling the swag to 40 something Joy Reid viewers as booty from the War on Racism.

Whatever the crime, they have an excuse ready to use. A white pederast assaulting a kid, racism. Another white skateboarding Red Guardsman whacking him in the head, racism. 30 raging looters in the Loius Vuitton store, class warfare and oh, structural racism.

Objecting to CRT and trans studies? Ooh, that's a 3 bagger Homophobia/Transphobia and racism.

[Pinandpuller]

I’d like to see the menu if you don’t mind:

NOW - Jesse Jackson leads a Black Lives Matter protest against the Rittenhouse verdict in Chicago. Crowd chants "the only solution is Communist revolution".

@disclosetv

[Neo]

Bill Gates' nuclear startup picks a Wyoming coal town for its 1st advanced reactor, which will cost $4 billion.

[Pinandpuller]

You might find this interesting, Mr. Davod:

Ether and Me, Will Rogers

https://archive.org/details/B-001-014-016

[Pinandpuller]

Will Rogers , Fedposter:

“Now I knew a man that always subscribed for the Congressional Record. It, of course, mentioned the fact if any Member of Congress had passed away. So he said he always took it because he just loved to read about dead Congressmen.”

[DCSCA]

"Someone is obsessed with Putin… kinda deep state creepy."

... and Putin smiled.

[DCSCA]

'Can we disbar this ambulance chaser?'

No more than you can disarm the 17 year old vigilante.

[DCSCA]

P&P-"So he said he always took it because he just loved to read about dead Congressmen.”

And Joe talks about having worked with them all the time.

[PDinDetroit]

All the media talking heads who have slandered and/or defamed Rittenhouse should be forced to apologize on air for each day they did so and transfer funds each time an apology is made.

Make it painful to be a liar.

[GUS]

Rittenhouse DID INDEED "DISARM" Gaige GrossKreep.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgXj2vsVoAA2617?format=jpg&name=900x900

Thanks for playing.

[clarice]

https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/19/whistleblower-videos-capture-pennsylvania-election-officials-destroying-evidence/

[GUS]

Clarice, things on OUR SIDE, change gradually, because of numerous levels of DEEP STATE, and because of the MFM. Rittenhouse, like him or not, is a BIG WIN for normal honest conservative Americans. The abject bias and malintent are there for all to see. I hope RITTENHOUSE gets slandered, and attacked in the media for a long long time.
People ARE catching on. Nick Sandman was the start. One other thing. Notice how very many celebs, elites, and educrats CANNOT....CANNOT think critically because of IDEOLOGY. Nicole Wallace for example. My son sees it every day on campus at UWM.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

You know at first I was concerned that this Omerova commie chick Biden wants running the banks was steeped in Marxism in her days in Moscow at the USSR's universities.
But then I breathed a sigh of relief when I realized that meant she had avoided being taught by real Das Kapital True Believers here in the land of the free and the home of the brave's institutes of agitprop.
By the time that bint was going to school in Moscow you probably couldn't find as many actual communists in the entire empire as you can now on the faculty of one junior college in Lower Podunk, USA.

[clarice]

Heh, Iggy. I'm trying to figure out how in the world she was ever the nominee. My guess is (a) it's a third rank position (b) it was handled by someone lower down the totem pole in the WH presidential personnel office(c) it was a payoff to the squad.
I hope she is not confirmed.

[GUS]

Yes Ig, she's not COMMIE LITE, she's THE FULL COMMIE. She isn't even trying to be a spy. If you read about her (and I'm sure you know her Pedigree), you realize that she is steeeeeped in FULL COMMIE IDEOLOGY. Cutting to the chase, she means it. Tracy Stone-Manning IS COMMIE LITE.
Biden did not choose either of these pigs.

[sbwaters]

Clarice: I'm trying to figure out how in the world she was ever the nominee.

d: Think Daleks from Dr. Who. "Exterminate!"

Their sole purpose was to destroy.

Ask them why and they’ll parrot, "For the betterment of the world there should be no superpower." But they do not see what would be sucked into the vacuum left behind.

They have "visions" not principles.

[Melinda]

Too funny thinking about Putin but knowing nothing of current (or historical for that matter) Russia.

Self-pantsing even.

[jim nj]

She sounds like someone Elizabeth Warren would suggest for the post.

[Melinda]

No, it’s an iBama appointment, through and through.

[GUS]

Omarova, was chosen, by one of DEMENTIA PUDDING CUP BOY'S (Happy Birthday's) handlers. There is a group that is basically recycled Obama clowns. Most think SUSAN RICE is influential (she is), but the POINT IS.....Biden is making ZERO DECISIONS. NONE.
Biden has nothing in his make-up, that is successful or has any relationship to being A LEADER or an EXECUTIVE. Think about it. Biden was hidden in his basement FOR MOST OF THE CAMPAIGN. He is obviously non compos mentis. He has very little ability to function with any intellect. Regardless, CLEARLY BIDEN is not in charge of ANYTHING. Nor did BIDEN have any real CAPACITY in his SELECTION, by the COMMIE DEMOCRAT PARTY, and his RIDICULOUS SUPPOSED ELECTION.
Ron Klain is enjoying a very short life of importance. People ask what would happen should SLOPPY JOE VERY VERY VERY CORRUPT BIDEN, be pushed to the side or even IMPEACHED in just over a year.
GUS'S opinion. When the GOP wins the HOUSE, they should IMMMMMMMMEDIATELY IMPEACH the blubbering clown. Maybe the Senate can convict him. Should by any chance, including DEMENTIA BOY, dying, Legs up Harris is elevated to PRESIDENT. She then should be repeatedly impeached.
ISN'T THAT WHAT WAS DONE TO DJT?

[GUS]

JIM, E-LIES-A BIT WARREN, is FILTH. Follow her life and career. Texas, Penn, Harvard SENATE.
She is not strong, nor wise nor capable. Like Sloppy Joe Biden, ONCE IN, you can stay IN.
Elizabeth Warren is a FRAUD.