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Jonah Goldberg is irritated and alienated. Since you ask, yes, I can relate...

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[Jane]

Clarice,

How could Prosebiac possibly. Know that? Got a link?

[clarice]

DCSA wins boooby of the year with these posts. Is the lynching because he was imprudent by your lights?

[Davod]

DCSCA. Insurance can get pretty expensive after the first round of burnings.

[Davod]

When the law fails, someone has to step up.

[sbwaters]

It's insured.

Misguided and flip.

You don’t deserve to pay higher insurance because of the illegal actions of others.

Besides, you already pay high taxes for police who, under direction from the Mayor, refused to enforce the law.

[sbwaters]

Paralleling what Michael Smith wrote elsewhere:

Subversion:
1. #Democrat govt condones/ignores violence.
2. Individuals forced to protect themselves.
3. Govt charges those who defend themselves = Intentional rending of social fabric.

I posted that tweet as a reply to: White House Condemns Vigilantes as #Rittenhouse Trial Wraps Up

[MJW]

MJW??? Speak for yourself. It's true.

Do you believe all the businesses were fully insured up to replacement value?

[Davod]

The good thing about the new booster shots is that you will be able to decide for yourself which day of the week you get the weekly shot.

[Davod]

Clarice. Thanks for the link to Rittenhouse's fundraising site.

[DCSCA]

Clarice- Have a close friend who works w/victims/survivors who lost her cousin at the Aurora shooting. She shared the crime photos the family has and know the damage these AR-15 weapons can do to the human body- holes the size of your fist in her chest. Horrid. Have spoken to survivors of the Colorado King Soopers shootings as well.

Reaffirming actions by rogue, unsupervised, non-deputized, unaffiliated w/law enforcement 17 year old kids wielding AR-15s playing at vigilante as "his job" by inviting himself to a street riot is not a good path to follow. He killed two people, injured a third and put himself into a mess he had no business being at. And he should face some penalty for it. Otherwise, you're going to see more kids playing at copycat.

[MJW]

Why even have laws against theft and arson when the insurance companies can just pay for it with the money they pick from Biden's money tree?

[matt - deplore me if you must]

The Left is doing its best to cast doubt on anything but a guilty verdict. The meme is infesting a lot of the media. They have thrown the kitchen sink into the mix.

Little or no discussion of wtf the rioters were doing there or what they were doing. A forensic investigation would have looked for combustibles, gunpowder, etc on the rioters who were shot.

The criminal records should also be discussed. The framing of the incident is disgraceful and once again demonstrates the moral bankruptcy of our media and the Left.

[henry]

MJW, see how that works in San Francisco with shoplifting laws for a current example. Rely on insurance, expect no business to stay.

[DCSCA]

MJW- that's up to the businesses, the suppliers or franchise contractors. Dealerships, fast food businesses and gasoline stations under license/contract to use a corporate ID [like Mobil or Shell] require it. Property can be replaced. Lives, not so much. Vigilantism is wrong headed and mob rule another degradation of the 'rule of law.' If you're an advocate of vigilantism, you have no argument to make against the violence on 1/6 either.

[DCSCA]

sb-'Misguided and flip.'

Except it's not.

[clarice]

Why license weapons if you can't use them defensively and Rittenhouse did. He showed great control.
No vigilantism on Rittenhouse's part--only on the side that was rioting.

Go watch High Noon to see what happens in lawless towns when no one enforces the law.

[Davod]

Why did Kyle Rittenhouse need a gun?

https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Matt-Walsh-LA-Riots-tweet-768x698.png

[matt - deplore me if you must]

Sure, DSCA. Kids are going to just run out and play vigilante. Kenosha was burning at the time. people were being assaulted and injured. The cops by order of the city administration had abandoned the streets.

Until law and order are restored, what are small business owners supposed to do? Remember the Koreans in LA during the riots. No one f'd with them.

The rioters, despite seeing an armed man, didn't back off. They assaulted him. He was kicked and hit in the head with a skateboard. "Lay back and think of England" doesn't work for rape or for attempted homicide.

The real issue is that government has abandoned public safety, in which case it devolves to private citizens.Three scumbags won't be bothering anyone anytime soon. I can live with that.

[MJW]

If you're an advocate of vigilantism, you have no argument to make against the violence on 1/6 either.

By far the worst violence on 1/6 was the killing of Ashli Babbitt, perpetrated under the color of law.

[henry]

DCSCA,

Why conflate innocent teen victims (Aurora) with adult felon rioters (Kenosha)?

A .22 pistol leaves a smaller hole, but the victim is just as dead. Is that somehow better?

Whatever your game is, it is weak.

[Davod]

Rittenhouse was not breaking the law.

[henry]

Forgot the quotes on “victim”

[Davod]

Smart monkey [10 secs]?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1459612162180018178

[DCSCA]

henry- no, it's not. This untrained, unsupervised kid injected himself into an adult situation wielding a powerful weapon beyond his skill set playing 'vigilante cop.' THe 'vigilante' killed two people. The police did not.

[henry]

@WSJ

A conservative-leaning U.S. appeals court in Cincinnati was randomly selected to decide challenges to Biden rules requiring many employers to ensure their workers are vaccinated or tested weekly for Covid-19

[henry]

Simple learning… if you don’t want to be shot by a teen vigilante, don’t riot.

[Davod]

Obedient chipmunk - keep sound on (10 secs)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1458889579935657996

[MJW]

Vigilantism is wrong headed and mob rule another degradation of the 'rule of law.'

If the government abandons its responsibility to protect life and property, citizens have a right to protect it, themselves -- call it vigilantism, or whatever you will.

[sbwaters]

DCSCA: Except it's not.

Don’t know your experience, but it is probably not music or computing, where you have to stay within the lines.

It’s probably not law, because you also have to stay within the law ... or if it is law, you missed some classes.

The Rittenhouse case has to do with applying law, not applying good sense, or seeking justice. You wring your hands and desire to punish him for all the things that would make you a poor lawyer and a worse judge.

[Davod]

DCSCA. BS. Watch the video. Rittenhouse's actions showed a level of control that many trained adults would not have been able to achieve.

[DCSCA]

'Why did Kyle Rittenhouse need a gun?

https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Matt-Walsh-LA-Riots-tweet-768x698.png

Walsh is an idiot; the honest question is: WHY DID KYLE RITTENHOUSE NEED TO BE THERE?

He didn't. The kid chose to play vigilante and wannabe cop and injected himself into a situation he had no business being at.

[DCSCA]

'Simple learning… if you don’t want to be shot by a teen vigilante, don’t riot.'

Judge, jury and executioner.

ot it.

Jack Ruby. Vigilante!

[Davod]

Porch pirate gets comeuppance (48 secs):

https://twitter.com/i/status/1460414728811937796

[Davod]

DCSCA. I think JOM pays you to keep the numbers up.

[henry]

Law is not reality. Judge, jury, and executioner are law. Reality is you can’t be shot if you aren’t there. You have to try very hard to miss that.

[Davod]

A devoted mother (30 secs).

https://twitter.com/i/status/1458767357690757124

[clarice]

US marshals are in Kenosha because they were sent there.https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2021/04/05/how-u-s-marshals-came-to-kenosha/

[clarice]

The marshals were sent in spring. why wouldn't they have been sent there again now?

[Davod]

Some people are wearing this hat outside the courthouse:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/shootyourlocalpedophile.jfif

[DCSCA]

'Davod- Watch the video. Rittenhouse's actions showed a level of control that many trained adults would not have been able to achieve.'

No it doesn't- anymore than it did for Bernie Goetz. Both fired out of fear- not self control. And the number of rounds into one person is what snagged Goetz, too- and isn't a help to KR, either.

More like a situation KR was not trained to manage. If memory serves, legitimate law enforcement folks are taught to de-escalate situations like he faced. That’s clearly not what happened. He was on his own w/no supervision, undeputized, unaffiliated w/any local law enforcement entity- roving alone/no cvapacity to radio for any back-up. A vigilante. And would the evening events in Kenosha have been any different if KR had not shown up? Probably not- other than two people would not have been killed, one injured and himself not in this mess.

It’s the unchecked vigilantism that’s disturbing and doesn’t need reaffirmed or legitimized in a land raging against a similar lawlessness on 1/6, crying out for a return and respect for ‘law and order.’

[MJW]

MJW- that's up to the businesses, the suppliers or franchise contractors. Dealerships, fast food businesses and gasoline stations under license/contract to use a corporate ID [like Mobil or Shell] require it.

I see. So business owners who couldn't or wouldn't pay to fully insure both their building and inventory against being destroyed lawless mobs deserved to have their lives destroyed. So either way, it all works out great.

[Davod]

Here's the memo directing the Counterterrorism unit to create a "threat tag" for purposes of tracking the terrorist threat of parents:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/counterterrorismmemothreattag.jfif

[Davod]

DCSCA. This is my last on this. One more post for JOM.

[DCSCA]

How they manage their businesses is their business- capitalism 101. And their lives weren't destroyed. Just property which can be replaced. The two killed were the lives destroyed- as is KRs- regardless of their records publicized after their demise.

[Pinandpuller]

Got a thirst for killing’, grab your vial uh:

“ CLAIM: A bus advertisement on knowing the warning signs of strokes in children is related to the COVID-19 vaccine.”

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-131454900770

[henry]

Capitalism is all about arson. Every business school starts with arson 101. SMH, the ROFL. What a ridiculous position.

[Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki]

I've had a feeling this DCSCA would eventually prove a weird troll.
Feeling confirmed.
Is killfile still a thing?

[clarice]

I was about to ask the same question, Iggy.

[Jane]

The police weren’t there DSCA. That was the problem. You seem to be saying that if a convicted pedophile came toward your house to burn it down, and the police were unavailable, you would do nothing to stop him. Let him kill you. Certainly don’t protect yourself. Sounds like CA.

[MJW]

The two killed were the lives destroyed- as is KRs- regardless of their records publicized after their demise.

You do have a good point. If everyone would only cower before criminal mobs, thugs would be a lot safer.

[MJW]

Is killfile still a thing?

For Firefox, at least, you need to install the Greasemonkey extension. You can then just click "hush" in the poster's signature, and never see the poster's comments again. I see a lot of hushing in DCSCA's future.

[MJW]

For killfiling with Firefox you also need the Blog Comment Killfile extension.

[Pinandpuller]

“Everybody Takes a Beating Sometimes.” Worst REM song Ever.

The worst beating of that ADA’s life is going to be CPR.

[Alison]

Killfile extension works with Chrome. I use it here on JOM and on Althouse, works like a charm. The new troll just got hushed by me. :-)

[Gentlejim]

An AR15 is not a powerful weapon. KR did nothing wrong. Who gets to decide whether or not it was ok for him to be in Kenosha? Who decides if the rioters are allowed? DCSCA is either trolling or being purposefully obtuse.

[sbwaters]

Well, DCSCA hasn’t addressed that the Rittenhouse case has to be decided by the law, not his personal feelings.

So I’ll just SOB until he/she says, "You’ve got a point.”

[Davod]

We humbly present for your enjoyment: "The Critical Race Can Can"

https://twitter.com/i/status/1458890266102820907

[DCSCA]

Ashli Babbitt.

Vigilante!

Next time, wear body armor, leave the backpack-- and bring your AR-15 instead.

[DCSCA]

An AR15 is not a powerful weapon.

Except it is. Ever seen the fist-size hole it makes in a teenagers chest? I have. Aurora victim.

[DCSCA]

sb-'Well, DCSCA hasn’t addressed that the Rittenhouse case has to be decided by the law, not his personal feelings.'

Actually, it has to be decided by the jury.

[DCSCA]

Gemtlejim- 'KR did nothing wrong.'

He did everything wrong. Which is why two are dead, one injured and he's in jail awaiting his fate by a jury.

[MJW]

Ashli Babbitt.

Vigilante!

You apparently only have a vague idea of what the word vigilante means, since whatever criticism one could have of Ashli Babbitt's actions when she was shot, she wasn't behaving as a vigilante.

You excuse chasing Rittenhouse and attempting to grab away his rifle, hitting him with a skateboard, kicking him in the head, and even pulling a pistol on him, yet fault Babbitt for attempting to crawl, unarmed, through a broken window.

I thought from your previous comments you were a bit dim, but didn't peg you as a complete moron. Live and learn. You are a dope, and not worth my time or anyone else's.

[Davod]

From Ace:
" Quote I
Inflation is as violent as a mugger, as frightening as an armed robber and as deadly as a hit man. Ronald Reagan"

[DCSCA]

Jane- 'The police weren’t there DSCA. That was the problem. You seem to be saying that if a convicted pedophile came toward your house to burn it down, and the police were unavailable, you would do nothing to stop him.'

1. But that was not KR's problem to solve- certainly not as a lone, 17 year old w/a AR-15, undeputized, unsupervised or sanctioned by legitimate WI law enforcement outlets, wandering the dark rioting streets on his own. He wasn't Superman-- or perhaps a 17 year old believes they are when wielding a AR-15. Turns out it was his kryptonite.

2. Do gunshot victims have their records- criminal/personal history printed on their shirts so before getting shot? He could have been an undercover cop.

The problem is vigilantism. THe police can be held accountable for failing on the job-- but they didn't kill anyone. So should the vigilante. It's a bad path to reaffirm and start down.

[Davod]

More from Ace

"Scottsdale Arizona School Board Votes to Remove President After Moms Discover Secret Surveillance of Parents and Children

The Scottsdale Unified School District in Arizona was scrambling after a group of moms discovered that Board President Jann-Michael Greenburg was keeping secret surveillance files, a dossier of sorts, on parents and students the school board head viewed as a risk to the interests of the district."

[MissMarple2]

Syill in hodpital

[sbwaters]

Ever seen the fist-size hole it makes in a teenagers chest?

Fact. But not relevant. The law is the issue, but you either don’t value that or don’t care.

[DCSCA]

Wis. Stat. § 946.69. Falsely assuming to act as a public officer or employee or a utility
employee….

(2) Whoever does any of the following is guilty of a Class I felony:

(a) Assumes to act in an official capacity or to perform an official function, knowing that he or she is not the public officer or public employee or the employee of a utility that he or she assumes to be.
(b) Exercises any function of a public office, knowing that he or she has not qualified so to act or that his or her right so to act has ceased.

KR- or the other vigilantes or militia members- had no authority to confront or impede anyone… or to patrol about properties they neither owned or were retained to provide security for. You can’t act like police if you are not trained, supervised, and legally authorized to act like police.

[DCSCA]

sb- The law is the issue.

See above.

[DCSCA]

MJW- 'Ashli Babbitt's actions when she was shot, she wasn't behaving as a vigilante.'

Except she was:

vigilante
[ˌvijəˈlan(t)ē]
NOUN
a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.

[jimmyk]

He did everything wrong. Which is why two are dead, one injured and he's in jail awaiting his fate by a jury.

Ever heard of the presumption of innocence? The fact that someone is on trial is not evidence of wrongdoing. The fact that two are dead and one injured is not either, since otherwise anyone who ever defended himself would be in the wrong.

Too bad JOM once again is plagued by a troll. I do have killfile, so as we used to say back in the old Usenet days, "Plonk!"

[DCSCA]

jimmyk: See above:

Wis. Stat. § 946.69.

[Dave (in MA)]

Strange kind of vigilante, showing up to clean graffiti and only having a gun because it was handed to him, and then each time, running away from the people he ended up having to shoot.

[jimmyk]

Cleaning graffiti? That's falsely assuming to act as a sanitation worker! A class I felony according to our resident legal scholar.

[Melinda]

A. Never trained as an adult with a firearm.
B. Unfamiliarity with both Federal AND State laws for same.
C. Trusted sources of information may have been manipulated for a specific mindset, given the above two facts.
D. Expert in shovel use.
E. Stubborn to the point of stupid when confronted with risks to holding current data set.
F. Einstein level insanity achievement awards, approaching Darwin level.

Contact ended.

[MJW]

Cleaning graffiti? That's falsely assuming to act as a sanitation worker! A class I felony according to our resident legal scholar.

Graffiti!?! With a capital G, and that rhymes with V, and that stands for Vigilante!

[clarice]

Amazing, isn't it that the prosecutors who charged Kyle with everything under the sun missed charging him under that vigilante statute Wonder why? guess they lacked the legal genius of some.

[jim nj]

Wow, that went downhill fast.

[jimb]

"DCSCA is either trolling or being purposefully obtuse."

I see no indication that he's a moron on purpose.

[DCSCA]

'Amazing, isn't it that the prosecutors who charged Kyle with everything under the sun missed charging him under that vigilante statute Wonder why?...'

Cheeseheads?

[jim nj]

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[Pinandpuller]

“Some will say…that Shrub is only the front man for the evil geniuses who actually make all of the decisions, but I find little reassurance in that hypothesis. Just how smart can those true movers and shakers be if they cannot come up with a more plausible figurehead?”—Robert Higgs

Joe Biden: “Hold my Johnson’s Baby Shampoo.”

[Pinandpuller]

Mr. DCSCA, are you Sperging without a loicense?

[Pinandpuller]

“The term “mental illness” is a semantic strategy for medicalizing economic, moral, personal, political, and social problems.”—Thomas Szasz

[Pinandpuller]

henry

My dad said a .22 will just barely kill you.

[anonamom]

Happy to see the regulars made up for my failing to send my response last evening to DCSA's MSNBC-colored comment.
The "crossing state lines" comment is the give away. Obviously did not know family and friends live there, or that Kyle works in Kenosha.

Where s/he sees a vigilante, I see a courageous, altruistic young man. We all know who SHOULD have been there. That's where the fault lies, not with the people who chose to protect their or their neighbors' property.

One of those God given rights. That "life, liberty and the pursuit of property thing" that Jefferson originally penned.

[anonamom]

Leftist victim blaming refuted.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/11/doubling_down_on_victim_blaming.html

Play by the Alinsky rules--
Make them follow their own rules.

[henry]

Nice guys.

@nathanmvance

"I ain’t even gonna name the people that I know that’s up in the Kenosha trial. But it’s cameras in there. It’s definitely cameras up in there. There’s definitely people taking pictures of the juries and everything like that"

BLM brilliance.

https://twitter.com/nathanmvance/status/1460916588253700098?s=21

[henry]

Hmmm. Pics of motion at link. I never know when to take this guy seriously.

@jackposobeic

🚨BREAKING NEW MOTION: Kenosha prosecutors WITHELD VIDEO EVIDENCE from Kyle Rittenhouse Defense Team

https://twitter.com/jackposobiec/status/1460816537812668425?s=21

[henry]

Yeah, “breaking” motion was filed Monday. Nothing new.

[Melinda]

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[Melinda]

North Bluff Capital
@bluff_capital
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Hi, Klaus!

[Marlene]

Good Morning! Did you see the feeble old man on the bridge in NH yesterday? Apparently he said, "how do I cross a bridge in a snowstorm?" Ha. Everyone was wearing gloves except POTUS. I guess Dr. Jill forgot to pin his gloves to his coat sleeves.

[sbwaters]

Wis. Stat. § 946.69. Falsely assuming to act as a public officer or employee or a utility
employee

Misapplication of law. Rittenhouse never presumed to act as a public officer or employee — neither by statement or action.

Offered aid, cleaned graffiti, protected private property, protected himself.

A conclusion came to your mind and after that you tried to rationalize it. Common practice and why people need to logically check their work. See the Nobel prize winning study by Sperry & Gazanniga.

[James D.]

The problem is vigilantism. THe police can be held accountable for failing on the job

The police didn't "fail". They were deliberately held back and prevented from dealing with the rioting, looting, arsonist mob by the politicians.

If the government openly refuses to defend decent citizens and businesses against looters and arsonists and other violence, then ordinary citizens have no choice but to defend themselves. I'm sorry you don't like that, or don't understand it.

[MissMarple2]

NBA player threatens to reveal info about slave labor in tennis shoues unless he gets more play time.

Still in the hospital. Good morning!

[sbwaters]

Good to hear from you, MM. Hope you feel better.

[henry]

Miss M, are you still in the hospital? or the NBA bench warmer?

[Melinda]

Frenchie Fraid.

All American Girl
@AIIAmericanGirI
David French Points to Kyle Rittenhouse, Claims Open Carry 'Menacing' breitbart.com/politics/2021/… @BreitbartNews

https://twitter.com/AIIAmericanGirI/status/1460978652154404869

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/17/david-french-points-to-kyle-rittenhouse-claims-open-carry-menacing/

[Jane]

Late last night, defense filed a motion for mistrial with prejudice:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-verdict-watch-mistrial-with-prejudice/