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October 03, 2022

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Narciso

jooray,

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/10/03/energy-crisis-europe-told-to-prepare-for-long-cold-winter-ahead/

Narciso

carried over,

https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/10/was-the-catastrophic-rupture-of-the-nord-steam-2-pipeline-an-accident-or-sabotage/

henry

Meanwhile, the EU economy returns to subsistence farming. Perhaps Xi is winning this war, or the Ayatollahs.

henry

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/europes-winter-energy-preparations-too-little-too-late

Narciso

for only 80 billion (dr evil pinky swirl) that's five years in afghanistan,

Narciso

interesting


https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/10/the_seth_rich_case_the_fbis_other_laptop_scandal.html

Narciso

fwiw


https://alexandr-rogers.livejournal.com/1606339.html

Narciso

yep

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2022/10/03/untitled-n2613859?30

Narciso

oh,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11274419/Liverpool-Serengeti-northwest-Europe-ancient-footprints-reveal.html

Narciso

sure why not,

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/10/03/claim-bitcoin-worse-for-the-climate-than-beef/

Rocco

Monkeywex with receipts...

The Nord Stream 2 Pipeline Sabotage

Here are a few facts about the sabotage:

Biden said we were going to do it

It happened “overnight” on the 26th of September

We have a US Navy P8 fly from the United States to a refueling rendezvous point over Grudziądz Poland at 0210 hrs GMT

The two aircraft, Callsign N/A, and BART12 sync up at 26,400 ft for an extended 1:20 minute refueling, disconnecting at 0328 hrs GMT

The BART12 air refueler RTB’d to Spangdahlem Air Base Germany and one should note the flight record has been wiped

The Navy P8 then continues onto the Nord Stream Pipeline location and descends to an altitude of <10,000 ft at 0345 hrs GMT

The Navy P8 exits the area just prior to 0700 hrs and is the only aircraft over the area the entire time

At 0709 hrs GMT the Navy P8 returns back to the United States. Note: the US Navy P8 HexCode is AE6851 and is NOT listed in the aircraft database. Furthermore, the aircraft flew as “masked” meaning it did not want to be tracked

Datapoint, there were recorded 2.3 magnitude shakes in the area at that same time

The following morning NATO Forces announce that overnight the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline has been sabotaged

A Poland Ministry Official posts a tweet thanking the United States for taking out the Pipeline

On September 29th in front of the UN Security Council a Russian Federation spokesperson presents the known facts and asks the United States representative directly in a yes or no requested response, “did the United States take out the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline” in which the US representative did not confirm nor deny it and didn’t answer the question, but instead took an offensive posture

https://www.monkeywerxus.com/blog/the-nord-stream-2-pipeline-sabotage

clarice

rocco, Biden also said that is we elected him covid would stop spreading;Obama said if we elected him the seas would stop rising. B.S. isn't evidence.
A 2.3 shake is the equivalent of a grenade. Not so much as to rule out a pipeline rupture.
The masked flights may not be that unusual in that part of the world.


Jim Eagle

A P8 Poseidon is basically an AWACS and flight control platform. In other words it was the stand-off controller for actual bomb delivery aircraft, which I am spitballing to be a B2 stealth bomber.

We never give away how we fight under-the-covers like this.

JM Hanes

Hi Rocco!

On Polish television, they are talking about charges set first, with detonators dropped from drones at a later date which could be activated remotely, at yet another time. It sounds like the confluence of flights etc. could be entirely incidental. It certainly wouldn’t surprise me if there was a lot of clandestine activity of every sort going on routinely in that particular region.

clarice

Hi, JMHanes! Hope you are well.

JM Hanes

Hi, Clarice, I’m well and hope you are! I’m still pretty much ignoring US news, but have been following European coverage of Putin’s Ukrainian land grab. It’s a fascinating piece of history unfolding!

clarice

Yes, it is JMH. ISW does twice daily accounts which seem rather accurate. On FB prof Ilya Somin also has interesting analyses.(XOXOXO)

Narciso

hey jm, how have you been,

russian desire, to seize the caucasus, has been a long standing story, going back some 300 years, some instances like the crushing of the bulavin faction, were very brutal,

Narciso

well that's mighty white of him,


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/skeptical-judge-wont-dismiss-durham-case-dossier-source-danchenko

Narciso

she looks constipated,

https://computingforever.com/2022/09/30/online-censorship-theyre-becoming-desperate/

Narciso

yikes,


https://www.dailywire.com/news/pro-trans-group-behind-virginia-school-walkout-plans-to-rehome-gay-kids-who-hate-their-parents

Narciso

the madness


https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/blinken-whodunnit-who-cares-its-a

clarice

I value Mark's opinion on FBI and domestic matters--we are in disagreement on the pipeline.

Jim Eagle

As an engineer and great doubter of our ingenuity under Biden, I like this theory of the Ruskie pipeline Boom-boom.

Legal insurrection.com/2022/10/was-the-catastrophic-rupture-of-the-nord-steam-2-pipeline-an-accident-or-sabotage

Rocco

It's so good to see you again JMH, you've been missed!

And clarice is the only reason I'm still here at JOM. Her opinions, thoughts and reasons are my compass.

Thanks for the clarification JiB.

clarice

JIN--that's just what I wrote on Sunday.

sbwaters

And, Clarice, there is a lot of research that has been done on those explosive snowballs, including setting up a 2 mile long test track.

clarice

Look at the crap they went to war with.Look at how poorly they ordered and managed the mobilization. QED

Davod

Ace seascape

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Davod

Rain

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Davod

Smart donkey

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Davod

Baby elephant enjoying sugar cane.. 😊

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Davod

Lion cub sneaks up on mum

https://twitter.com/i/status/1576273237402537984

Davod

Dog into the catnip again

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Davod

He could fly away at any moment

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Davod

Waiting for the school bus

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Davod

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Davod

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Davod

Time to leave

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Davod

Deer enjoying the clear water of Lake Brienz, Switzerland.. 😊

https://twitter.com/i/status/1576160103719632896

Davod

Chris Rock - Bullet control

https://youtu.be/VZrFVtmRXrw

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--rocco, Biden also said that is we elected him covid would stop spreading;Obama said if we elected him the seas would stop rising. B.S. isn't evidence.--

I detect a slight problem with these analogies.
Biden has zero power or means to stop a worldwide virus.
Barry had zero power to stop the oceans rising.
Biden has absolute power to order those pipelines blown up.
Moreover we're dealing with a Deep State that has shown zero compunction to perpetrating the most dishonest, power mad and reckless acts to further their agenda over the last many years. We're supposed to believe they suddenly stopped even though Biden and Nuland said they would do what happened? The plain and undeniable history is, regardless of whatever defects Putin possesses and they are legion, the US took every possible step to cause this war to occur in Ukraine and not only did zero to seek a negotiated settlement beforehand, it and the UK actively prevented one. Washington wanted this war and they got it. Now I'm supposed to believe that when Russia's pipelines explode underwater, pipelines which gave Putin substantial leverage over Europe and decreased ours, and mere weeks after he has begun to truly apply that leverage they blew up over Russky incompetence not the criminals who run this country's act of volition?
If the Russians are such colossally poor managers of their pipelines then there must be dozens of other examples of their pipelines suddenly exploding left and right in the middle of a war. Instead these bumbling fools somehow manage to keep them flowing through the Ukraine, a country they are at war with, in the middle of a war zone, but, after ten years of uneventful use they both blow up under the sea where our gangster ruling class has access to them.
Sorry, but that's a load of improbable horseshit.

JM Hanes

Ignatz:

10 years of use? It was my impression that pipe #1 had yet to come online, and that pipe #2 was was filled with some sort of test gas prior to being brought into service. Thus the explosions cut off future gas deliveries, not ongoing deliveries. I don’t think anyone can plausibly argue that the explosions were accidental. Each pipeline actually consists of two pipes and there were four explosions total, one for each line. You may be sure you know who is responsible, but from what I’ve heard so far, I think the jury is still out.

sbwaters

The Wiki map shows four explosions. The Oil Times reports three. But two locations were cited. Is there a source for four explosions?

We do know there are two pipes in each line, but it did not say how far apart the pipes were.

Neo

Bombshell Dominion 'Error Code' Uncovered in 97% of Georgia Counties
Open records requests reveal 64 of 66 Georgia counties have the same unsolved 'Tennessee Error' that caused seven scanners to miscount hundreds of ballots in Williamson County.
https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/bombshell-dominion-error-code-uncovered?utm_source=email

Narciso

yep


https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/briefly-noted-big-picture-on-the

Narciso

the dumbest timeline,

https://t.me/The_Library_II/86718

Narciso

ok then


https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/10/03/these-2-kids-are-our-future-tweets-from-mich-gov-gretchen-whitmer-were-just-an-hour-apart/

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--Ignatz:

10 years of use? It was my impression that pipe #1 had yet to come online, and that pipe #2 was was filled with some sort of test gas prior to being brought into service. Thus the explosions cut off future gas deliveries, not ongoing deliveries.--

The two pipes of Nord Stream 1 have been pumping a lot of gas to Germany since 2011. Nord Stream 2 was not yet online.
Neither cut off any deliveries because Russia had been leveraging Western europe by cutting off gas from Nord Stream 1 a few weeks/months ago. Ostensibly it was over some pumps that the Germans refused to release to Russia for pipeline use but it is obviously to punish and pressure Europe.

--You may be sure you know who is responsible, but from what I’ve heard so far, I think the jury is still out.--

Since I wasn't hanging out 70 meters under the Baltic Sea that day I obviously don't know who did it. And since I'm not Sherlock Holmes my deductive reasoning leaves something to be desired but looking at the various parties and interests involved I think my conclusion is not only reasonable but probable. The Euros are facing a winter of extreme discontent so it is without question not in their interests to cut off a possible supply that might be the only thing standing between them and peasants with pitchforks.
Russia has already turned off the taps and their ability to turn them back on gave them powerful leverage over the Euros facing the coming winter and already ruinous price increases. So no one IMO could seriously consider the Russians to have destroyed their own leverage.
Who does that leave? The country that said "If Russia invades, that means tanks and troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
When asked how, Biden said: "We will. I promise you. We will be able to do that."

I wasn't there when Nicole Simpson was killed either but it seems pretty clear OJ did it and he said nothing remotely as incriminating as what Biden, Nuland and Blinken did.
Only the US, with possible help of the UK, had the means and opportunity and, most importantly, the motive.
Seems like a duck to me.

Neo

Russia's frontline in Ukraine 'collapses' as Kyiv hammers Putin's forces into humiliating retreat: Zelensky's troops sweep '10 miles in four hours' and liberate dozens of occupied towns - as NATO 'warns Kremlin will test NUKES on the border to save face'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11279355/Russian-frontline-collapses-near-Kherson.html
... I thought we had a Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT) that forbade above ground and below ground testing of nuclear devices. Will Russia become a nuclear outlaw ?

clarice

There were at least 2 prior Russian pipeline explosions. One in Siberia where they sent some schmo out to release a clogged line with a butane flame which exploded miles of the pipeline along with the schmo..

Rocco

Neo, re your 4:01, at about 13 mins in, Alex Mercouris suggests that Russia might have that Ukrainian advance surrounded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuJTsY7zC_A

Rocco

FLASHBACK: CIA Sabotaged Soviet Pipeline to Europe in 1982 – US Software Caused Massive Explosion in Siberian Pipeline Seen From Space

This was originally posted at the Washington Post on February 27, 2004. By David Hoffman

In January 1982, President Ronald Reagan approved a CIA plan to sabotage the economy of the Soviet Union through covert transfers of technology that contained hidden malfunctions, including software that later triggered a huge explosion in a Siberian natural gas pipeline, according to a memoir by a Reagan White House official.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/flashback-cia-sabotaged-soviet-pipeline-europe-1982-us-software-caused-massive-explosion-siberian-pipeline-seen-space/

I was hesitant to post this. You're the last one I want to anger clarice

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

--One in Siberia where they sent some schmo out to release a clogged line with a butane flame which exploded miles of the pipeline along with the schmo.--

And then two more blew up right next to it 17 hours later?
Clarice you are usually way too levelheaded to latch onto a [IMO] marginal theory like this. It is not impossible but is so far-fetched, considering the context, as to be pretty much dismissible.

clarice

You think it more plausible deep sea saboteurs stuck around for 17 hours with everyone watching? I do think it's more plausible because of seen Russian incompetence first hand, and I doubt with Ukraine taking priority they put their best guys on unplugging the pipelines.

sbwaters

And, for now, we cannot know whether sabotage or stupidity.

sbwaters

Or stupid sabotage?

clarice

https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/10/nordstream-ii-electric-instapundit.html
As he said, and I repeated, it could have been something else, but this {accident/incompetence)seems more likely. Details on the explosions and lack of movement on these lines

sbwaters

Clarice, that article was a thorough examination of the possibility.

Davod

Something doesn't smell right

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Davod

Just passing by

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Davod

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Davod

Tonight's ONT has been brought to you by Masculinity.

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Davod

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Davod

The force

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Davod

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In response, a mother in the district named Kimberly Reicks showed up to a school board meeting dressed in the outfit that the drag performer wore in front of students."

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Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki


--You think it more plausible deep sea saboteurs stuck around for 17 hours with everyone watching?--

I said this before but I'll say it again; do you think we had WW2 frogmen diving down to the briny depths holding a bundle of Wile Coyote's Acme dynamite and some marine grade duct tape to blow these things up?
Stuck around for 17 hours where? Perhaps on the US Navy ships that were in the Baltic? The Naval drone command post that might very well be in Annapolis for all we know? Our fleet of nearly undetectable submarines? Our extensive and extremely sophisticated aerial mining aircraft that, as I also pointed out before, are capable of putting timers onboard mines even more sophisticated than an old alarm clock?
As Rocco pointed out, we blew up at least one of their pipelines in the 80s. As I pointed out, a drone with explosives attached was found on Nord Stream itself in 2015.
Even more improbable than frogmen waiting around 17 hours is the comical idea that a process the guy you keep citing admits is highly volatile and extremely variable and takes weeks to perform, somehow managed to dislodge three different plugs in three different pipelines simultaneously and then a fourth 17 hours later.

It's comforting and convenient to believe those dumbass Russkies went and blowed their own stuff up rather than consider the more probable and much more disconcerting belief that our government is willing to risk nuclear war over two worthless provinces in Eastern Ukraine that want to be part of Russia anyway and that contain zero national security or any other kind of interest for the United States. But they caused this war so we know for a fact they are. Rather than pressure Ukraine to abide by the Minsk accords and give the Donbass some form of autonomy we kept sending them arms and encouraging them instead to make war on the Russian enclaves. We overthrew a legally elected president of the country. Our gaddamned president said in public he would get rid of Nord Stream 2 by hook or by crook. He promised it on national TV in exactly the same retarded, boisterous way he bragged about getting rid of Shokin. When criminal gangsters tell you who they are and what they'll do...and then it happens...I don't know what to say. It's mind boggling to me you would consider this accidental-simultaneous-methane-hydrate-plug-wild-hair almost certain rather than a remote possibility.
Stipulated; Putin is a ruthless gangster. But some of the greatest mischief in history has been done under the cover of righteously fighting Thug A by Thug B with rather larger ambitions and a great deal more ability to make our lives miserable than Thug A ever thought of.

Hanlon's Razor is useful in sane eras but is non-op in times when the whole world goes mad such as the present one. Our ruling class of autocrats and mandarins is secondarily stupid but they are primarily as malicious as any band of tyrants in history who sought to rule the rest of us and they're just getting warmed up. It was the comfortable assumption of stupidity regarding the early stages of most of the totalitarians of the 20th century that got several scores of millions of people killed. The stakes are now hundred of millions, at least.
Hanlon can get bent.
Since I seem incapable of persuading you I guess I'll give up.

MJW

do you think we had WW2 frogmen diving down to the briny depths holding a bundle of Wile Coyote's Acme dynamite

Not to be overly picky, but I believe when he required explosives, Wile Coyote always used Acme TNT.

clarice

blowing up DOMESTIC PIPELINE IS ONE THING, BLOWING UP ONE THAT WAS CRITICAL TO OUR EUROPEAN ALLIES ANOTHER IMO.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

As I think about it, I believe you are correct MJW.

Ignatz Ratzkiwatzki

The pipeline blown up in 1982 was to deliver gas to Western Europe. That's why we blew it up.

clarice

COntra arguments to the claim we--not incompetence--were responsible for the 1982 explosion:https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/44212/did-the-cia-blow-up-a-siberian-pipeline-in-1982

Narciso

the true part of burdicks failsafe was matthau's grotesher who was mimicking kissinger's recent monograph on use of nuclear weapons,


https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/things-are-getting-crazy

Narciso

yep


https://libertyunyielding.com/2022/10/04/journalists-vow-to-continue-exposing-child-sex-change-procedures-despite-calls-for-doj-to-prosecute-them/

Narciso

yep


https://twitter.com/AlexEpstein/status/1577713208655085568?cxt=HHwWgICg9bvzlOUrAAAA

Narciso

teh horror

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/be-afraid-be-actually-afraid-reporters-panic-thought-twitter-restoring-free-speech

Dave (in MA)

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Davod

Kitty.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1577020334708260864

Davod

Clarice. They boasted about doing it after the end of the Cold War. I always thought that the impulse to boast about these exploits was foolhardy.

bubarooni

So at the start of this 'SMO' I decided I'd start reading both sides.

After a bit of whiplash reading media back and forth, I decided I'd look at maps.

Overtime, the Russkies took lots of territory. I thought the Russkies were making headway.

Now I look at maps and the Ukies are doing things. Now they same to be making headway.

Now I gotta wait on more maps.

It'll be interesting to read history 10 years from now.

One thing I'm sure of, I won't like Russia or Ukraine 10 years from now.

Dave (in MA)

Federal appeals court rules Obama-era DACA program illegal, buts says 600,000 already in US can stay

The Biden administration enhanced legal protection for recipients of DACA

clarice

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/frequent-breaks-in-undersea-pipelines-mean-fixes-are-possible-for-nord-stream/

Neo

What a Conservative Therapist Thinks About Politics and Mental Health

Daum: Do you think that Donald Trump made everybody go crazy?

Bridge: What do you mean by “made everybody go crazy”?

Daum: In my world, I know a lot of people who were so distressed about the election of Trump that they had to go on anxiety medication. They couldn’t sleep. It dominated their lives, their goals, their thoughts, their relationships, their conversations for four years and even to this day.

Bridge: That is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Why would you let one person in the world control your life? Are you that weak?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/04/opinion/us-conservative-therapy-politics.html

Neo

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🚨BREAKING: Sources tell Bannon Twitter gave @elonmusk
2 conditions

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2.Twitter staff remains the same

Musk said..... NO DEAL.

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Neo

The Big Guy
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Dave (in MA)

Fake But Accurate ™
(Delaware license plates are 6 digits as in most states)

Narciso

oh

https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1577473373277339648?cxt=HHwWgICqjZvrp-QrAAAA

Narciso

good question>


https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/10/_as_nuclear_war_looms_does_russia_have_a_right_to_its_own_monroe_doctrine.html

Narciso

oh good grief

https://jonathanturley.org/2022/10/05/be-afraid-be-actually-afraid-reporters-panic-at-the-thought-of-twitter-restoring-free-speech-protections/

Rocco

'Gross sabotage': Sweden finds evidence of Nord Stream pipeline detonations

Swedish authorities said Thursday that their investigation of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 natural gas pipelines to Russia has revealed evidence of detonations, bolstering existing suspicions that last week’s ruptures were sabotage.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/gross-sabotage-sweden-finds-evidence-of-nord-stream-pipeline-detonations/ar-AA12FZGN

Of course, Russia will be blamed!

Narciso


yes indeed,

https://www.frontpagemag.com/berkeley-free-speech-and-banning-jews/

Davod

The Optimistic Conservative - Standing athwart history yelling, "Bring it!"


[A very interesting, relatively neutral, commentary on what is happening.]

"TOC Ready Room 6 October 2022: Ukraine; or, the world in a pickle. What wrong and right with the world; Ukraine update..."

https://theoptimisticconservative.wordp ... -a-pickle/
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Davod

The Optimistic Conservative - Standing athwart history yelling, "Bring it!".


[A very interesting, relatively neutral, commentary on what is happening.]

"TOC Ready Room 6 October 2022: Ukraine; or, the world in a pickle. What wrong and right with the world; Ukraine update..."

https://theoptimisticconservative.wordpress.com/2022/10/06/toc-ready-room-6-october-2022-ukraine-or-the-world-in-a-pickle/

Davod

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Davod

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Davod

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Rocco

The new Pumpkin Spice booster is available for the holidays.

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Davod

Moonscape.

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